Does anybody think Valuev won?

[DaxxKahn]

I have to admit I thought it was a very close fight, literally due to NOTHING happening. It was maybe the worst fight ive ever seen. I'll also admit I had it 115-114 Valuev.

I was really confused by the American commentary thinking Holyfield was winning every round more or less, so I trawled the forums and found almost everybody had a similar result, which has led to me registering to post.

Lets be honest - both fighters threw f all and landed f all. So imo a lot of the rounds came down to how you interpret movement and aggression and all of that. The poster above, Kel, says 'Evander bounced around on his toes and Valuev had no answer for it'....but could this not be interpreted as Evander just backing off and running away refusing to engage...and therefore being the fighter on the backfoot and defensive? If thats the case no one threw anything really, then that would be giving rounds to Valuev would it not?

Obviously Valuev was extremely static, but he did own the centre of the ring and was providing more forward movement and lamely pawing out with the jab some. Imo its no good backing off and circling being on your toes IF you dont throw something as well, it just looks like youre scared to engage in combat. Its a shame cos I wanted Holyfield to win and it was really there for the taking if he just could have gone in and out a bit more (eg more than once a round).

It is a judges job to know something about the fighters participating in a title fight....ANY JUDGE who does not know about Evander Holyfield should not be judging a fight in boxing let alone a HW title bout....

The Evander of old was a fighter who liked to bounce before he struck look at any of his prime fights and you would know that...There is a difference between bouncing and being inactive and running....

Not as if Valuev was following him in a stalking manner EG_ Miguel Cotto wallking an opponent down to unleash is stalking to attack....

Following a man around with no idea what to do or how to handle the movement is not....

Ruslan Chagaev beat Valuev by using constant movement and basically jabbing him...That fight Valuev had no idea on what to do either.....

Ruslan was just more active then Evander is all...

Valuev had some moments with his jab in the later rds as evander was tired but certainly not enough to warrent a victory,,,absolutly not enough for the scors read...

I mean c'mon man this was booed in Switzerland

[El Kabong]

I just wish that Wladimir would get a shot at Valuev...Valuev SAYS he wants to fight the best but he never TRIES to fight the best.

[Boom Boom]

Evander had to make the fight as best he could without taking any risks against the much bigger guy. It was as bad a fight as it was because Holyfield was waiting for Valuev to make a move so he could counter and find openings. Valuev didnt do anything so this made Evanders job a lot harder. Valuev made no effort to defend his titles and Evander, who most people thought was going to get annihilated, stuck to a smart gameplan that enabled him to overcome the size difference and take rounds from the giant by using lateral movement and throwing conservative combonations when he did get inside, and ultimately winning a decision, which he should have. 46 y/o Holyfield was on his toes for 12 rounds, in complete control of the pace of the fight and his opponent from the beginning, making Valuev look like an amateur and completely uncomfortable and clueless, few thought he could do any of those things. Those people saying that Valuev won must be immpressed with Valuevs size and figure that being in the middle on the ring, doing nothing, gives Valuev the edge because of his "ring generalship" and imposing shadow. He must be even more of a defensive genius than Willie Pep because Pep only won one round without throwing a punch. Valuev could actually will himself a victory. Truly astonishing feat by the Russian.