Boxrec RULES!!!!

[Dizaster]

Did anyone e-mail Boxrec yet?

[XaduBoxer]

Did anyone e-mail Boxrec yet?

I don't know if Killa emailed BoxRec... He's the one who started this protest on BoxRec's #1 ranking of PAC at 140...

He said, he used to write complaint letters to alphabet organizations but I can't understand why he's reluctant to send one to BoxRec... Maybe due to his ego since I instructed him to email Boxrec...
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[amat]

You're nuts bro. Pacquiao can't be ranked ahead of anyone at 140 because he has never competed their in his life. Even if he signs to fight Hatton tomorrow, he will spend 5 months on top of the rnakings at 140 before he ever fights a single bout there.

Paul Williams is ranked above Santos and Sergei because he beat Verno Phillips. See the funny thing about Paul Williams is he actually happens to fought at the weight which he was ranked.

I don't think anyone is saying that Hatton rates higher then Pacquiao pound for pound, but if you want to become champion in a division it helps to fight in it at least one time in your career.

Boxrec has point values assessed to every fighter and then they categorize the fighters by weight classes. They have Hatton-Pacquiao on for May 2nd, so they have Pacquiao fighting at 140. Since he has the most points, he is the champion of the 140 division.

The good thing is that people with sense know that at the very least, to be champion at a weight division you have to have fought in it. No one at boxrec actually ranks fighters it's all mathmatics.

But you're nuts if you're seriously arguing that Manny Pacquiao is the champion of the 140 lb division. Say that in a sentence and don't laugh.

[Dizaster]

I kind of get why Pac can't be ranked P4P#1 at 140 when he hasn't even fought there.. The fact that he did fight at 147 and win mean quite a bit, but he didn't beat a current P4P best there..
So i'll present this 1 question for though.

If however Pac fought the P4P best at 147 in Margarito and won, would that more so qualify him for being the P4P best at 140? At least in anyone's eyes?

But in this case I'm guessing, the fact that he beat a hopeless Oscar at 147, does not automatically prove he can beat a prime fighter at 140... I think anyone can agree with that.. So from that angle, it can't be 100% justified saying Pac is the best at 140...




Here is where I can see the arguement for possibly placing Pac as P4P#1 at 140..

Because A) He is the P4P best fighter in the world based on how well he has beaten opponents at the weights he's been, and the quality of those opponents... B) The Pound for Pound rankings are designed in such a way to be able to compare the performances and abilities of different fighters at different weights... So even though a Klitch. could beat a Pac any day of the week if they were in the ring,,, Pac is still considered a better fighter, because he's beaten some arguably HOF opponents, but the K boys haven't beaten as many and and as convincingly etc....
C) The fact Pac is P4P#1 overall, means that at the weight he realisically makes, and maintains 100% of his resources, skill, assets etc, then obviously he could be considered the P4P#1 AT that weight..
D) If you take the Pac vs DLH fight as a clear sign that he is the same quality fighter at approx the 143 weight, then he could then be considered a 140 pound fighter... And that P4P overall ranking carries forward into that weight division that he now weighs in at....


So I see both sides.... But don't let that stop this thread from going another 100 pages.. It's great stuff and I would love to see how one of you can convince the other. It will be a great achievement.

[amat]

The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.

That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.

I don't want to read 7 pages, this should be puerely agreeable even if you think that the first punch Pacquiao landed Hatton would be sprawled across the mat, it doesn't matter.

[Dizaster]

The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.
That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.

That's right... And it would be ridiculous to automatically rank a fighter a champion of a division he hasn't fought at.. that's silly.. But again as you said, the P4P ranking this is just a mythical subjective ranking, and that is how they've put Manny at the top of 140... As much of a stretch that it is considering he hasn't fought there...

But yes, I think the out and out problem here, is that Boxrec rates fighter in division they havn't even fought at.... They just need to make a blanket rule to not do that anymore... A fighter must fight at a certain weight to be ranked there... I think that's entirely fair, and would cut out all arguement and actually eliminate a lot of the subjectivity as well. I would agree with that...

But in that kind of mythical realm,,, Say there were 2 guys at 140 who had both fought the exact same people and won, were the top 2 at the division, but hadn't fought each other yet, would you be able to rank one above the other? or because they'd both fought the exact same opponents, and not met themselves yet, they could just have to be ranked even? Nuh, their overall potential would probably be assessed, and you'd put them at 1 and 2 until they meat, where really anything can happen to decide the true 1 and 2... So ummmm... I forgot what my point was and in fact I thought it was going to be a pretty dumb point as well... Perhaps just disregard all that..


Boxrec may just need to change how they do it so they just straight out don't rate fighters at weights they havn't fought at yet..... Or explain really well how they are able to do it convingly.....?
Shit, I think that's where this arguement was at on page 2...

[antimoron]

Boxrec does this all the time bros...

and i don't know why...and if im not mistaken i remember also they rank Guzman at lightweight just before the campbell fight was announce or even made.. they rank him within top ten but he never fought in that division yet.

[XaduBoxer]

The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.

That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.

I don't want to read 7 pages, this should be puerely agreeable even if you think that the first punch Pacquiao landed Hatton would be sprawled across the mat, it doesn't matter.

I agree with the highlighted statement above granting Margarito has a scheduled fight at 140, or signifies that he will fight at 140 and if he can make the weight limit of 140 lbs.

And most important, Margarito's BoxRec points is higher than everyone currently rated at 140...
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[the_PRODIGY]

I have no problems with Pac being #1 P4P..but I have no doubts Ricky is the best at 140. He has a belt. He have looked great and has been there for years. And it doesn't mean Pac beats him simply because he has fought and won at a higher weight. Jeez..he fought a completely shot fighter and I've seen posts that he would beat Cotto.I mean WTF?! So given that analogy does that mean he beats Mosley too? Hell no.

Mr.saddoboxer..I see your point. I'm a fan of your idol and I think I can help you out a bit with what you're tryin to say. Pac after bein a champ at 115 immediately fought at 122 next. He jumped over 118. After bein a champ and basically dominating at 122..I think it is fair and reasonable to rank him as the division's best at 118 if he decides to fight there next. BUT... the thing Mr.Killersheep failed to emphasize is that he hasn't dominated at 147 yet (unlike at 122).and probably would never do.Only fought there once. Plus the fact that there are legit guys and more established fighters at 140. We're talkin about Ricky Hatton here. Who fights best at 140. Please don't get too carried away with the win against Oscar. Ricky Hatton is the real deal at 140. But to make you feel good I think Pac can beat him and I'm picking your idol to win. IMO style's makes fight. I think Pac COULD be a force at 140 because of the fact that the last time he fought he hit the scales weighing 142.closer to 140 than 147. He looked awesome. Yes he COULD very well be the next 'KING' and COULD potentially be the 'better KING' of the division. BUT Ricky Hatton is the 'more deserving and legit KING of the division' today.

P.S.
Please pay attention to the BUTs and COULDs.

[XaduBoxer]

Boxrec has point values assessed to every fighter and then they categorize the fighters by weight classes. They have Hatton-Pacquiao on for May 2nd, so they have Pacquiao fighting at 140. Since he has the most points, he is the champion of the 140 division.

The good thing is that people with sense know that at the very least, to be champion at a weight division you have to have fought in it. No one at boxrec actually ranks fighters it's all mathmatics.

Yeah that's exactly how BoxRec rates the boxers, by points system and if those boxers were bunched in one division, the one with highest points become #1. But be aware that you can't just put one boxer in a particular division if he didn't signify to fight in that division, has no scheduled fight in that division or has not fought in that division or can he even make weight in that division.

Boxrec uses computers to do this stuff and we all know that long time ago. I won't call PAC as the "champion" at 140 since this title is only used by official boxing sanctioning bodies, those who awards belts. PAC is just rated #1 at 140 by BoxRec not as a champion.

We all know that this is how BoxRec do its ratings and computations of points system, why all the grumbles? Do you have problems with that then email BoxRec for an explanation ...
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