Boxrec RULES!!!!

[amat]

The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.

That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.

I don't want to read 7 pages, this should be puerely agreeable even if you think that the first punch Pacquiao landed Hatton would be sprawled across the mat, it doesn't matter.

[Dizaster]

The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.
That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.

That's right... And it would be ridiculous to automatically rank a fighter a champion of a division he hasn't fought at.. that's silly.. But again as you said, the P4P ranking this is just a mythical subjective ranking, and that is how they've put Manny at the top of 140... As much of a stretch that it is considering he hasn't fought there...

But yes, I think the out and out problem here, is that Boxrec rates fighter in division they havn't even fought at.... They just need to make a blanket rule to not do that anymore... A fighter must fight at a certain weight to be ranked there... I think that's entirely fair, and would cut out all arguement and actually eliminate a lot of the subjectivity as well. I would agree with that...

But in that kind of mythical realm,,, Say there were 2 guys at 140 who had both fought the exact same people and won, were the top 2 at the division, but hadn't fought each other yet, would you be able to rank one above the other? or because they'd both fought the exact same opponents, and not met themselves yet, they could just have to be ranked even? Nuh, their overall potential would probably be assessed, and you'd put them at 1 and 2 until they meat, where really anything can happen to decide the true 1 and 2... So ummmm... I forgot what my point was and in fact I thought it was going to be a pretty dumb point as well... Perhaps just disregard all that..


Boxrec may just need to change how they do it so they just straight out don't rate fighters at weights they havn't fought at yet..... Or explain really well how they are able to do it convingly.....?
Shit, I think that's where this arguement was at on page 2...

[antimoron]

Boxrec does this all the time bros...

and i don't know why...and if im not mistaken i remember also they rank Guzman at lightweight just before the campbell fight was announce or even made.. they rank him within top ten but he never fought in that division yet.

[XaduBoxer]

The thing is though Diz, you don't rank guys P4P in the division. You can see why too.

Because P4P is mythical and has no set guidelines. There is no path becoming ranked top pound for pound it's just something that's purely subjective.

If Manny beat Margarito, would he be favored to beat anyone at 140? Absolutely he would. However, you can't rank him at a division until he has actually fought there. Surely you see the absurdity in this, if writers can just decide that since they think Pac would beat any fighter in the 140 lb division, he is automatically the champion of that division. Last time I checked that's not how you become a champion of a division, or even ranked number 1.

That would be like making Margarito number 1 at 140, because he would likely beat everyone at 140.

I don't want to read 7 pages, this should be puerely agreeable even if you think that the first punch Pacquiao landed Hatton would be sprawled across the mat, it doesn't matter.

I agree with the highlighted statement above granting Margarito has a scheduled fight at 140, or signifies that he will fight at 140 and if he can make the weight limit of 140 lbs.

And most important, Margarito's BoxRec points is higher than everyone currently rated at 140...
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[the_PRODIGY]

I have no problems with Pac being #1 P4P..but I have no doubts Ricky is the best at 140. He has a belt. He have looked great and has been there for years. And it doesn't mean Pac beats him simply because he has fought and won at a higher weight. Jeez..he fought a completely shot fighter and I've seen posts that he would beat Cotto.I mean WTF?! So given that analogy does that mean he beats Mosley too? Hell no.

Mr.saddoboxer..I see your point. I'm a fan of your idol and I think I can help you out a bit with what you're tryin to say. Pac after bein a champ at 115 immediately fought at 122 next. He jumped over 118. After bein a champ and basically dominating at 122..I think it is fair and reasonable to rank him as the division's best at 118 if he decides to fight there next. BUT... the thing Mr.Killersheep failed to emphasize is that he hasn't dominated at 147 yet (unlike at 122).and probably would never do.Only fought there once. Plus the fact that there are legit guys and more established fighters at 140. We're talkin about Ricky Hatton here. Who fights best at 140. Please don't get too carried away with the win against Oscar. Ricky Hatton is the real deal at 140. But to make you feel good I think Pac can beat him and I'm picking your idol to win. IMO style's makes fight. I think Pac COULD be a force at 140 because of the fact that the last time he fought he hit the scales weighing 142.closer to 140 than 147. He looked awesome. Yes he COULD very well be the next 'KING' and COULD potentially be the 'better KING' of the division. BUT Ricky Hatton is the 'more deserving and legit KING of the division' today.

P.S.
Please pay attention to the BUTs and COULDs.

[killersheep]

Well, since Saddoboxer is afraid to get any facts from anyone, I actually did write to BoxRec, the day this thread started and guess what.......no response, I expect the same from everyone organization I wrote to.

Summary of thread: Use the Ring rankings everyone else just makes shit up. P4P rankings do not give carte blanche, QED Mayweather's career. Mayweather was the linear champ at 147 and had titles at 135 and 140, but during no point would anyone consider him the best at 140. PAC did not even beat "The Man" at 147 or 135 he beat "A man". As a matter of fact PAC is now following PBF's career almost verbatim now, taking the weakest strap holders and cash cows.