PETA wanted for the Michael Vick dogs to be "put down"!!!!

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Julius, I have had similar thoughts to you about spaying or neutering, though I'm not a dog owner. I doubt the dog "knows" he is sterile. Neutering is supposed to make males less aggresive and less likely to wander, but I suppose you are right to say no guarantees, it is still possible for a neutered dog to be agressive.

Like RP33 says, it's mainly to prevent unwanted puppies that have to be put down.

Ask anyone who works at a humane society what they think of all this.

[Sharla]

I used to know a guy who fed wild cats and was totally against getting them desexed.

Eventually he changed his mind because the population grew from one cat to something like 30 to 40 and many of them just got killed in inhumane ways.

They got hit by traffic, became ill or injured too often for him to pay for the vet bills, they had fleas and diseases carried by fleas, no real shelter in winter etc etc.

He kept more alive than would be without his intervention and from that the population had a boom which was greater than he could look after.

He eventually decided that the kinder thing to do was to get them desexed.

Oddly enough an the first original old female cat who'd always been fairly nasty and bitter suddenly became much friendlier to people and the other cats after being desexed.

I think she was happier and damn it after having 13 kids each year for years on end I'd be damn relieved to have a break from it all too!

[El Kabong]

Fixing the male dogs is supposed to make them less aggressive and actually makes them less prone to cancer.


Trainer what do you have against the Humane Society?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v0P_UhGLME


....that's fucking real....they just took a domestic turkey and played classical music for it.....insane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9FXEi0uro

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You know, there is a certain logic to what Newkirk said in the first video.

If you are willing to roast and eat the flesh of a turkey, then perhaps you should be willing to roast and eat my flesh. Logic says that the reverse would also be true: If you are not willing to roast and eat my flesh, then you should not be willing to roast and eat the flesh of a turkey. Unbelievable. okay Newkirk, if you say so.

btw, With all due respect to those not present I interpreted Trainer's remark not as a slight on the Humane Society, but rather as an indirect defense of PETA. Are we prepared to say the same things about the Humane Society that we are saying about PETA? I could be mistaken, I guess we'll see.

[El Kabong]

OK Trainer, I hadn't heard about the Humane Society saying that but if it's true then yeah fuck them as well. Although they are a lot less annoying than Peta.


[quote=CGM;657920]If you are willing to roast and eat the flesh of a turkey, then perhaps you should be willing to roast and eat my flesh. Logic says that the reverse would also be true: If you are not willing to roast and eat my flesh, then you should not be willing to roast and eat the flesh of a turkey. Unbelievable. okay Newkirk, if you say so.
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OK....I'm game, BBQ anyone? Let Newkirk be martyred on the grill....we'll see how many dipshits follow that line of thinking. We might just be able to feed all the starving children after all!

[Trainer Monkey]

Fixing the male dogs is supposed to make them less aggressive and actually makes them less prone to cancer.


Trainer what do you have against the Humane Society?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v0P_UhGLME

....that's fucking real....they just took a domestic turkey and played classical music for it.....insane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9FXEi0uro

I went and researched the story,the Humane Society also wanted the dogs euthanized

[Trainer Monkey]

Though it seems the SPCA has chilled on their Pit Bull policy,they used to have a strict euthanasia policy toward Pits.
In the early 90's I had to be away for work for an extended period of time,so I left my dog and her pup with my mom,because I really only wanted to pay for a one room joint to save money. My mom got sick,so my Aunt more or less took over my moms trailer,including my dogs and everything I owned that I hadnt taken with me.
Rather then calling me,she burnt all my stuff,and handed over both of my dogs to the SPCA,by the time I found out what she had done,the SPCA had allready euthanized the pair of them including the 6 month old puppy.
Needless to say,my Aunt and I dont talk very often any more,and the SPCA wont be getting a donation from me any time soon. There are more then enough no-kill shelters that could use my coin

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Pit bulls were banned in Ontario a few years ago. I don't think they can take away an existing, pet, but no new pit bulls in the province.

[Trainer Monkey]

Pit bulls were banned in Ontario a few years ago. I don't think they can take away an existing, pet, but no new pit bulls in the province.

I hate those breed bans,their stupid as hell. Ban all the Pit Bulls you want,and guess what,the dog attack statistics dont go down. The a-holes that are irresponsible enough to raise a dog thats inclined to attack,just find another breed du jour. Hell before the crack invasion in the states(crack heads want tough dogs) Pits had one of the lowest dog related death rates in the states

[CGM]

Pit bulls were banned in Ontario a few years ago. I don't think they can take away an existing, pet, but no new pit bulls in the province.

I hate those breed bans,their stupid as hell. Ban all the Pit Bulls you want,and guess what,the dog attack statistics dont go down. The a-holes that are irresponsible enough to raise a dog thats inclined to attack,just find another breed du jour. Hell before the crack invasion in the states(crack heads want tough dogs) Pits had one of the lowest dog related death rates in the states

Logic says you are right TM, but reality was saying someting else here. There was a long string of high prodile attacks by pit bulls, particularly on children, It just kept happening. There was a large public outcry, and something had to be done. Maybe not the best thing was done, but better that than nothing at all.

[Julius Rain]

The vet ask me if I wanted to nueter my pup, at first people made it seem like its the best thing for the dog and then I learn even nuetered dogs go out and try to hump other dogs. PLUS ITS AN EXPENSIVE PROCEEDURE. I wont let them cut out my puppys balls. Now thats cruelty, there is nothing gauranteed in nuetering or spaying when it comes to dog behavior. It just stops them from having pups, fuck that the system can't control the people so the animals have to suffer? What they should do is require permits to breed animals if they want to stop irresponsible owners from doing it.

dude.. i think you're missing the point about spaying and neutering.. the whole point is so that if for some reason your dog gets out for a few hours without you knowing, or something to that extent, he may get another dog pregnant.. which will lead to more and more puppies going to shelters and dog pounds, that eventually may be euthanized.. there are WAYYYY more pets going into shelters than the amount of owners out there willing to take them in.. It's not cruelty if you care about other dogs besides your own..

so its your dogs balls, or the possible death of a lot of other puppies.. cruel to his balls, yes, but not cruel to animals in general considering it may be saving a lot of dogs lives..

this is also why in a lot of areas they offer reimbursement on the procedure if you rescue a dog from the pound, or at least they offer you a bit of money back if you get the procedure done.

Theres two side to everything you just said, ok a dog gets loose. Whos responsible for that dog? Where does this lead back to or where does it start? The dog owner.period. I think they are not controlling were it all starts and it all starts from dog owners PERIOD. Plus study show it doesn't take just one time for a bitch to get pregnant. Ok a dog gets loose once he bang a bitch...it must take multiple error by dog owners not to prevent this from happening enough time. dogs need to mate multiple time a day during breeding to have puppies. Its really the fucking people, this shit aint no accident.

Possible death of other puppies? that still better then no hope for life. Cruel to every dog going under nuetering or spaying, it takes atleast two weeks for them to recover. Image people going through that cause Gods wanted to limit us breeding? its bullshit really. you know whats a better idea? nueter or spay idiot people from becoming parents. Atleast a dog will do its best to nurture its pups til it can. But again people play in this whole situation. takes the pups away, not enough room at home, not enough food, etc. Its idiotic not to target people in this, its just like breed banning. Its not the damn breed its the people. Even if pits are all banned, dog attacks still stay the same but a different breed to blame.

Julius, I have had similar thoughts to you about spaying or neutering, though I'm not a dog owner. I doubt the dog "knows" he is sterile. Neutering is supposed to make males less aggresive and less likely to wander, but I suppose you are right to say no guarantees, it is still possible for a neutered dog to be agressive.

Like RP33 says, it's mainly to prevent unwanted puppies that have to be put down.

Ask anyone who works at a humane society what they think of all this.

I have ask some people even from humane society, most dog owners think it made little difference. Their dog still wander off and hump other dogs and still have the same territorial aggression. Animals can not think like us so why are they put under the lights. Sure it stops dogs from having puppies but no matter how they try to cover it up with the no gaurantee benefits, it is still truly cruel to dogs.

My vet even told me, you dont need to nueter your pup there is nothing wrong with dogs. Dogs are dogs. As long as your responsible, you have nothing to do with the problem of preventing dogs with irresponsible owner doing what they're insticts tell them to do....breed and have puppies.

[CGM]

The vet ask me if I wanted to nueter my pup, at first people made it seem like its the best thing for the dog and then I learn even nuetered dogs go out and try to hump other dogs. PLUS ITS AN EXPENSIVE PROCEEDURE. I wont let them cut out my puppys balls. Now thats cruelty, there is nothing gauranteed in nuetering or spaying when it comes to dog behavior. It just stops them from having pups, fuck that the system can't control the people so the animals have to suffer? What they should do is require permits to breed animals if they want to stop irresponsible owners from doing it.

dude.. i think you're missing the point about spaying and neutering.. the whole point is so that if for some reason your dog gets out for a few hours without you knowing, or something to that extent, he may get another dog pregnant.. which will lead to more and more puppies going to shelters and dog pounds, that eventually may be euthanized.. there are WAYYYY more pets going into shelters than the amount of owners out there willing to take them in.. It's not cruelty if you care about other dogs besides your own..

so its your dogs balls, or the possible death of a lot of other puppies.. cruel to his balls, yes, but not cruel to animals in general considering it may be saving a lot of dogs lives..

this is also why in a lot of areas they offer reimbursement on the procedure if you rescue a dog from the pound, or at least they offer you a bit of money back if you get the procedure done.

Theres two side to everything you just said, ok a dog gets loose. Whos responsible for that dog? Where does this lead back to or where does it start? The dog owner.period. I think they are not controlling were it all starts and it all starts from dog owners PERIOD. Plus study show it doesn't take just one time for a bitch to get pregnant. Ok a dog gets loose once he bang a bitch...it must take multiple error by dog owners not to prevent this from happening enough time. dogs need to mate multiple time a day during breeding to have puppies. Its really the fucking people, this shit aint no accident.

Possible death of other puppies? that still better then no hope for life. Cruel to every dog going under nuetering or spaying, it takes atleast two weeks for them to recover. Image people going through that cause Gods wanted to limit us breeding? its bullshit really. you know whats a better idea? nueter or spay idiot people from becoming parents. Atleast a dog will do its best to nurture its pups til it can. But again people play in this whole situation. takes the pups away, not enough room at home, not enough food, etc. Its idiotic not to target people in this, its just like breed banning. Its not the damn breed its the people. Even if pits are all banned, dog attacks still stay the same but a different breed to blame.

Julius, I have had similar thoughts to you about spaying or neutering, though I'm not a dog owner. I doubt the dog "knows" he is sterile. Neutering is supposed to make males less aggresive and less likely to wander, but I suppose you are right to say no guarantees, it is still possible for a neutered dog to be agressive.

Like RP33 says, it's mainly to prevent unwanted puppies that have to be put down.

Ask anyone who works at a humane society what they think of all this.

I have ask some people even from humane society, most dog owners think it made little difference. Their dog still wander off and hump other dogs and still have the same territorial aggression. Animals can not think like us so why are they put under the lights. Sure it stops dogs from having puppies but no matter how they try to cover it up with the no gaurantee benefits, it is still truly cruel to dogs.

My vet even told me, you dont need to nueter your pup there is nothing wrong with dogs. Dogs are dogs. As long as your responsible, you have nothing to do with the problem of preventing dogs with irresponsible owner doing what they're insticts tell them to do....breed and have puppies.

Yeah like you say there's two sides to every story, just pick the side you wanna believe.

I have doubts about your multiple times theory, and evidence from past experience as a dog owner that once is enough for pregnancy.

Your points about cruelty are highly debatable. What's cruel? Keeping a dog restrained to keep it from roaming? Letting your bitch go into heat but be unable to do anything about it? Having a perfectly good set of balls but be prevented from breeding?

Death of other puppies being better than no hope for life? What the hell is that all about?

[RP33]

The vet ask me if I wanted to nueter my pup, at first people made it seem like its the best thing for the dog and then I learn even nuetered dogs go out and try to hump other dogs. PLUS ITS AN EXPENSIVE PROCEEDURE. I wont let them cut out my puppys balls. Now thats cruelty, there is nothing gauranteed in nuetering or spaying when it comes to dog behavior. It just stops them from having pups, fuck that the system can't control the people so the animals have to suffer? What they should do is require permits to breed animals if they want to stop irresponsible owners from doing it.

dude.. i think you're missing the point about spaying and neutering.. the whole point is so that if for some reason your dog gets out for a few hours without you knowing, or something to that extent, he may get another dog pregnant.. which will lead to more and more puppies going to shelters and dog pounds, that eventually may be euthanized.. there are WAYYYY more pets going into shelters than the amount of owners out there willing to take them in.. It's not cruelty if you care about other dogs besides your own..

so its your dogs balls, or the possible death of a lot of other puppies.. cruel to his balls, yes, but not cruel to animals in general considering it may be saving a lot of dogs lives..

this is also why in a lot of areas they offer reimbursement on the procedure if you rescue a dog from the pound, or at least they offer you a bit of money back if you get the procedure done.

Theres two side to everything you just said, ok a dog gets loose. Whos responsible for that dog? Where does this lead back to or where does it start? The dog owner.period. I think they are not controlling were it all starts and it all starts from dog owners PERIOD. Plus study show it doesn't take just one time for a bitch to get pregnant. Ok a dog gets loose once he bang a bitch...it must take multiple error by dog owners not to prevent this from happening enough time. dogs need to mate multiple time a day during breeding to have puppies. Its really the fucking people, this shit aint no accident.

Possible death of other puppies? that still better then no hope for life. Cruel to every dog going under nuetering or spaying, it takes atleast two weeks for them to recover. Image people going through that cause Gods wanted to limit us breeding? its bullshit really. you know whats a better idea? nueter or spay idiot people from becoming parents. Atleast a dog will do its best to nurture its pups til it can. But again people play in this whole situation. takes the pups away, not enough room at home, not enough food, etc. Its idiotic not to target people in this, its just like breed banning. Its not the damn breed its the people. Even if pits are all banned, dog attacks still stay the same but a different breed to blame.

Julius, you are correct 100% that it is the owners, but unfortunately that's how it is.. I mean think of the HUMAN race.. If i drive 5 minutes from my house i'll be in a bad area of Providence where i bet 88% of the kids that live there are the product of a parent going around and sleeping with some guy, not using protection, getting pregnant, having the baby, and not supporting them.. This is how poverty rates rise.. More and more people have kids that they can't support.. not only can they not support them physically with money, but mentally it's a WHOLE other story..

with that said, if we could cut the balls off of all these people doing this, then there may be less crime, less poverty, less taxes, etc..

that's the idea behind spaying/neutering.. You have to take some sort of damage control, because you KNOW that dogs are going to get loose, and unfortunately some owners shouldn't even have dogs, but there is NO way around that.. so by making it impossible for dogs to bread, then you are limiting the amount of dogs being euthanized at pounds, and in general you're limiting the amount of dogs that may end up into a bad owners hand..

yes, you made a good point about spaying/neutering parents, like i said.. but unfortunately that's a bit unrealistic, and we need to deal with the problem at hand..