Calzaghe-Hagler?

[ross]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

[Trainer Monkey]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

Completely bogus statement,Hagler was too short to move up

[ross]

Completely bogus statement,Hagler was too short to move up

Really?

Hagler was 5,9 and a half whereas Roberto Duran who started out as a light weight and gave Hagler one of his hardest fights is only 5,7"

Look at Pacquiao

Making excuses for Hagler

[Taeth]

I think people are letting their ATG p4p list ranking fool them. Calzaghe is a really good figher, who would be competitive with any of the four even likely p4p. People also forget that Calzaghe doesn't spar when he trains, so that would give him a higher tendency to go down in the early rounds. If Hagler could truly hurt Calzaghe, then I think he could win, but I don't see him hurting Calzaghe besides maybe once early, but we've seen how Calzaghe deals with those situations. I think these two are both built of the same clothe in many ways, both are unorthodox southpaws who are undeniably effective, they both like to impose their will, they both can box or fight, they both are better offensively than defensively. They both have that "hardness" to them that makes them so effective.

[Trainer Monkey]

Completely bogus statement,Hagler was too short to move up

Really?

Hagler was 5,9 and a half whereas Roberto Duran who started out as a light weight and gave Hagler one of his hardest fights is only 5,7"

Look at Pacquiao

Making excuses for Hagler

Duran by the time he was done moving up in weight,looked like he ate Duran

[ross]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

[JazMerkin]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

You've got to remember though that they didn't really have a proper SMW division then, & that fighters would have to jump up 2 divisions, so there is the possibility that had 168lbs division been there & had good fights that Hagler would have gone up towards the end of his career. Although I do agree he could've acted with a LOT more grace after SRL beat him

[ICB]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

Super Middleweight division was made a proper division in 1984, now at that time. There was no big names at that weight class at all. So it would of been a waste of time moving up to that weight class, especially with all the big names at Middleweight. Lastly the only other move he could of made was move up to Light Heavyweight and he was clearly too small for that weight class, Ross you know nothing about boxing your an idiot.

[ross]

He did move up though now didnt he you silly boy

On top of that he beat probably the Eighties best fighter, Ray leonard.

Durrrrr!!!

Hagler couldve moved up in weight but didnt, Joe could have and did, alot of fighters have and been very successfull, Marvin was happy enough taking on smaller fighters and then retired like a spoilt brat when one beat him

Super Middleweight division was made a proper division in 1984, now at that time. There was no big names at that weight class at all. So it would of been a waste of time moving up to that weight class, especially with all the big names at Middleweight. Lastly the only other move he could of made was move up to Light Heavyweight and he was clearly too small for that weight class, Ross you know nothing about boxing your an idiot.

Dont cry about it

Hagler wouldve eaten punches all night like Lacy did.

[rjj tszyu]

I'd go Hagler by KO. I know Joe's got a solid chin but if Hagler floored him like Jones and Hopkins did he used to have great finishing skills and IMO wouldn't have given him chance to recover like Roy did especially.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

the only way this fight would ever take place is if haglar came out of retirement right now............otherwise calzaghe would never fight him if he was at his peak, marvins now in his 50's which suits calzaghe down to a T............joe would turn down any chance of a prime fight with marvin telling us " marvins not in my league, there's no interest in the fight " he'd then go fight someone we've never heard of whos got 7 loss's on his record out of 26 fights

prime for prime i think haglar would win unless its the same judges who scored the haglar v sugar ray

[RozzySean]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

First of all, moving up wasn't much of an option for Hagler since 168 didn't exist then and Spinks, a top 5 ATG LHW and a MUCH bigger man, was champion at 175. You've obviously never seen Hagler in his prime, 1978-1981. Hagler was past in by the Mugabi fight, and his style had degenerated at that point. As for his power, he KO'd everybody he defended against except Leonard and Duran.

That being said, Hagler had problems with movers and Calzaghe would present a stylistic problem for Hagler. I might favor Calzaghe in 12 rounds, but if you gave a prime Hagler 15 rounds to pound on Calzaghe, Marvin would break him down eventually.

[Taeth]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

First of all, moving up wasn't much of an option for Hagler since 168 didn't exist then and Spinks, a top 5 ATG LHW and a MUCH bigger man, was champion at 175. You've obviously never seen Hagler in his prime, 1978-1981. Hagler was past in by the Mugabi fight, and his style had degenerated at that point. As for his power, he KO'd everybody he defended against except Leonard and Duran.

That being said, Hagler had problems with movers and Calzaghe would present a stylistic problem for Hagler. I might favor Calzaghe in 12 rounds, but if you gave a prime Hagler 15 rounds to pound on Calzaghe, Marvin would break him down eventually.

I don't get your logic why would Hagler be able to break down a guy who gets stronger as the fight progresses? If anything Calzaghe is one of the few champions who would be WAY better if fights were still 15 rounds long.

[Master]

At middleweight Hagler but at super middle Joe but only just. The late 1970's version was an excellent boxer, he later became more of a pressure fighter.

[RozzySean]

Thats right, Hagler never moved up and never wanted to, he was quite content to fight others who had the balls to move up and as much of a hard fight that Hagler had with Mugabi im sure Joe wouldnt have struggled.

Hagler plodded forward and wore people down, that wouldnt happen with Joe, especially since Joe would be naturally stronger as well.

First of all, moving up wasn't much of an option for Hagler since 168 didn't exist then and Spinks, a top 5 ATG LHW and a MUCH bigger man, was champion at 175. You've obviously never seen Hagler in his prime, 1978-1981. Hagler was past in by the Mugabi fight, and his style had degenerated at that point. As for his power, he KO'd everybody he defended against except Leonard and Duran.

That being said, Hagler had problems with movers and Calzaghe would present a stylistic problem for Hagler. I might favor Calzaghe in 12 rounds, but if you gave a prime Hagler 15 rounds to pound on Calzaghe, Marvin would break him down eventually.

I don't get your logic why would Hagler be able to break down a guy who gets stronger as the fight progresses? If anything Calzaghe is one of the few champions who would be WAY better if fights were still 15 rounds long.

I hear you, and it's a good point, but my reasoning is different. Against most fighters, you are right that Calzaghe would be an even better 15 round fighter. He's my thinking, but I could be wrong.

Both Hagler and Calzaghe get stronger as the fight goes on, but Hagler would be putting more punishment on Calzaghe than Calzaghe could put on Hagler. Calzaghe would be able to steal rounds, much like Leonard did, but the cumulative affect would take it's toll eventually. Leonard was a great 15 round fighter, too, but if the fight with Hagler had been 15, Hagler certainly would have stopped him. It was Calzaghe's EARLY lead that carried him through against Reid, and IMHO, if Hagler had hitting Calzaghe like Reid hit Calzaghe, Calzaghe might not have energy for a strong finish.

For the record, and old Joe Calzaghe beats an old Marvin Hagler. Joe aged much better than Marvin. The version of Hagler that fought Leonard and Mugabi would get outboxed by Joe C.