What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

[Fenster]

USA (probably at #1)
Mexico
Puerto Rico
UK
Jamaica (if you count boxers such as Lloyd Honeyghan as well)

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

He obviously wouldn't have gone too far considering Herbie bashed him up good and proper.

Also.. It's a bit naughty to class those guys as Jamaican. Honeyghan is British of Jamacian descent. He has lived in South London, England since he was a little kid.

[JazMerkin]

USA (probably at #1)
Mexico
Puerto Rico
UK
Jamaica (if you count boxers such as Lloyd Honeyghan as well)

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

He obviously wouldn't have gone too far considering Herbie bashed him up good and proper.

Also.. It's a bit naughty to class those guys as Jamaican. Honeyghan is British of Jamacian descent. He has lived in South London, England since he was a little kid.

No, Honeyghan was born in Jamaica, and grew up in Britain. A Brit of Jamaican descent would be someone like Chris Eubank who was 2nd generation. You will also find that guys from the Caribbean who grew up here will class themselves as Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, particularly man like Honeyghan who grew up in South-East London in the 70's. My uncles & most the people where I live are the same, even some 2nd gen or 3rd gen guys my age don't see themselves as British now.

[Fenster]

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

He obviously wouldn't have gone too far considering Herbie bashed him up good and proper.

Also.. It's a bit naughty to class those guys as Jamaican. Honeyghan is British of Jamacian descent. He has lived in South London, England since he was a little kid.

No, Honeyghan was born in Jamaica, and grew up in Britain. A Brit of Jamaican descent would be someone like Chris Eubank who was 2nd generation. You will also find that guys from the Caribbean who grew up here will class themselves as Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, particularly man like Honeyghan who grew up in South-East London in the 70's. My uncles & most the people where I live are the same, even some 2nd gen or 3rd gen guys my age don't see themselves as British now.

Oh right.

I too have lots of friends that class themselves as British (Born here) but acknowledge their Caribbean roots.

That's different from someone born here but claims they're Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, right?

What does Honeyghan class himself as then?

[JazMerkin]

He obviously wouldn't have gone too far considering Herbie bashed him up good and proper.

Also.. It's a bit naughty to class those guys as Jamaican. Honeyghan is British of Jamacian descent. He has lived in South London, England since he was a little kid.

No, Honeyghan was born in Jamaica, and grew up in Britain. A Brit of Jamaican descent would be someone like Chris Eubank who was 2nd generation. You will also find that guys from the Caribbean who grew up here will class themselves as Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, particularly man like Honeyghan who grew up in South-East London in the 70's. My uncles & most the people where I live are the same, even some 2nd gen or 3rd gen guys my age don't see themselves as British now.

Oh right.

I too have lots of friends that class themselves as British (Born here) but acknowledge their Caribbean roots.

That's different from someone born here but claims they're Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, right?

What does Honeyghan class himself as then?

I saw an interview with Spencer Fearon & Honeyghan seemed to class himself as Jamaican rather than British, as he seemed to talk about himself in the context of Jamaican fighters such as Mike McCallum rather than any British guys.

Yeah that is different, because whilst a lot of people will go 'my family come from...", I know some of bredrins will just go 'nah I ain't British, I'm from Jamaica' or something like that. I think with a lot of older guys (like the generations above mine, I'm 22) they experienced a more open racism than we have, as the NF & BNP used to be a lot more prominent around here, so they feel less of an attachment to being British. At the end of the day it's all down to personal choice & your interactions with people around you.

[Spicoli]

How about a little love for Japan
Also while maybe not the most 'skilled' but Korea/South produced some of the toughest & bravest

[TitoFan]

How about a little love for Japan
Also while maybe not the most 'skilled' but Korea/South produced some of the toughest & bravest

Japan - 18th per capita world champions
Korea - 12th

[Rantcatrat]

How about a little love for Japan
Also while maybe not the most 'skilled' but Korea/South produced some of the toughest & bravest

Japan - 18th per capita world champions
Korea - 12th

How many world champs has Korea produced?

[holmcall]

How about a little love for Japan
Also while maybe not the most 'skilled' but Korea/South produced some of the toughest & bravest

I'd go with Japan as having the best stylists and Korea for sheer bravery.

[holmcall]

No, Honeyghan was born in Jamaica, and grew up in Britain. A Brit of Jamaican descent would be someone like Chris Eubank who was 2nd generation. You will also find that guys from the Caribbean who grew up here will class themselves as Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, particularly man like Honeyghan who grew up in South-East London in the 70's. My uncles & most the people where I live are the same, even some 2nd gen or 3rd gen guys my age don't see themselves as British now.

Oh right.

I too have lots of friends that class themselves as British (Born here) but acknowledge their Caribbean roots.

That's different from someone born here but claims they're Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, right?

What does Honeyghan class himself as then?

I saw an interview with Spencer Fearon & Honeyghan seemed to class himself as Jamaican rather than British, as he seemed to talk about himself in the context of Jamaican fighters such as Mike McCallum rather than any British guys.

Yeah that is different, because whilst a lot of people will go 'my family come from...", I know some of bredrins will just go 'nah I ain't British, I'm from Jamaica' or something like that. I think with a lot of older guys (like the generations above mine, I'm 22) they experienced a more open racism than we have, as the NF & BNP used to be a lot more prominent around here, so they feel less of an attachment to being British. At the end of the day it's all down to personal choice & your interactions with people around you.

Well then, he would say "Yha Mon!"

[holmcall]

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

He obviously wouldn't have gone too far considering Herbie bashed him up good and proper.

Also.. It's a bit naughty to class those guys as Jamaican. Honeyghan is British of Jamacian descent. He has lived in South London, England since he was a little kid.

No, Honeyghan was born in Jamaica, and grew up in Britain. A Brit of Jamaican descent would be someone like Chris Eubank who was 2nd generation. You will also find that guys from the Caribbean who grew up here will class themselves as Jamaican/Trinidadian/St. Lucian rather than British, particularly man like Honeyghan who grew up in South-East London in the 70's. My uncles & most the people where I live are the same, even some 2nd gen or 3rd gen guys my age don't see themselves as British now.

Ha, what about Lennox? When he is in Canada, he is Canadian. When he is in the UK, he is a Brit--and when he is in Jamaica, well, who knows what he claims to be. I bet his mother says he is a Jamaican.