pavlik after hopkins

[Spicoli]

yeah, I was wondering what was going through Pavlik's mind during Hopkins extended pep talk. My guess is Pavlik was thinking to himself: "Shut up and leave me alone, you pompous git, gimme another shot and I'll knock your block off"

I think a rematch was the last thing he was thinking about!

perhaps you are right. As for the extended pep talk, I'm sure he wasn't in the mood for that either. I'm a big Hopkins fan, but I thought the pep talk maybe was just a little bit condescending. No big deal though.

Yeah,Hopkins never lacks in tude.He sort of makes it about himself.Ecspecially the "come find you with a ballbat" portion.wtf?

[Hoggmeister]

I think a rematch was the last thing he was thinking about!

perhaps you are right. As for the extended pep talk, I'm sure he wasn't in the mood for that either. I'm a big Hopkins fan, but I thought the pep talk maybe was just a little bit condescending. No big deal though.

Yeah,Hopkins never lacks in tude.He sort of makes it about himself.Ecspecially the "come find you with a ballbat" portion.wtf?

in footage of pavlik back in his changing room after the fight he seems really pissed that he lost to hopkins when taylor had beaten hopkins twice and he had beaten taylor twice.

[C-Lo]

I think mentally it did him alot of damage, but I think if he gets a couple of wins under his belt he'll be back to normal. I think his next fight will tell us alot about where he is...

Absolutely. His next fight is an important one!

perhaps you are right. As for the extended pep talk, I'm sure he wasn't in the mood for that either. I'm a big Hopkins fan, but I thought the pep talk maybe was just a little bit condescending. No big deal though.

Yeah,Hopkins never lacks in tude.He sort of makes it about himself.Ecspecially the "come find you with a ballbat" portion.wtf?

in footage of pavlik back in his changing room after the fight he seems really pissed that he lost to hopkins when taylor had beaten hopkins twice and he had beaten taylor twice.

It's the classic "triangle theory." I don't know why people even believe there is truth to this?! It should never be in the conversation when discussing a fight IMO.

[RozzySean]

I hate to say it, but Pavlik would be way better off if he would bring in another trainer to supplement Jack Loew. I don't think he can fire him, but Jack needs to take a more secondary roll. Kelly shouldn't change who is is fundementally, but he needs to make his offense a little more sophisticated and less predictable. Even a fighter with great natural speed like Hatton was out of luck because he was too predictable when he was up a against a smart fighter with equal physical talent. Pavlik needs to learn to set traps and counterpunch to compliment his pressure. He doesn't need to become James Toney, but he does need to develop an effective Plan B.

I know this would never happen, but how great would it be for Hopkins do a Rocky III Apollo Creed move and go into camp with Pavlik? Or have Pavlik go work spare a few hundred rounds with James Toney?

He needs to think outside the box a little and become a little more well rounded. I think he can come back mentally, but he needs to make sure Jack Loew doesn't because hinderance to his progress.

[brucelee]

All I can remember is, I won big time during that fight by picking on Hopkins. Almost everybody picked Pavlik and I went against the favorite.

SEriously, Pavlik has a long way to go but that fight with Hopkins showed to the world that he can be beaten. That will make his future fights more interesting. IMO.

That defeat was good for Pavlik...

[littlebif]

All I can remember is, I won big time during that fight by picking on Hopkins. Almost everybody picked Pavlik and I went against the favorite.

SEriously, Pavlik has a long way to go but that fight with Hopkins showed to the world that he can be beaten. That will make his future fights more interesting. IMO.

That defeat was good for Pavlik...

I disagree i think that defeat will dent his confidence and if he is in a similar situation again he will think back to that lose to Hopkins and get stuck in the same gear again.