What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

[ElTerribleMorales]

USA (probably at #1)
Mexico
Puerto Rico
UK
Jamaica (if you count boxers such as Lloyd Honeyghan as well)

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

hell we're (Puerto Rico) smaller than Jamaica and we have more big name fighters/meaningful champions from 60 to now lol

Carlos Ortiz (ok it was 59 but hell lol)

Jose "Chegui" Torres

Alfredo "Salsero" Escalera (lost his world title to Arguello)

Samuel Serrano

Wilfred Benitez (youngest world champ ever)

Esteban DeJesus (first to beat Duran, and even dropped him in the fights he
lost to Duran)

Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez (one of, if not the highest KO percentages in championship fights ever)

Carlos "Sugar" De Leon

Ossie Ocasio

Juan Laporte

Edwin "Chapo" Rosario

Hector "Macho" Camacho

Wilfredo "Wil" Vazquez

John John Molina

Felix "Tito" Trinidad

Alex "El Nene" Sanchez

Eric Morel

Daniel Santos

Nelson Dieppa

Ivan Calderon

Miguel Cotto

and now Juan Manuel Lopez

and that's not counting all the champions just the ones that have had great success in the longterm or in getting positive attention

[Onix]

USA (probably at #1)
Mexico
Puerto Rico
UK
Jamaica (if you count boxers such as Lloyd Honeyghan as well)

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

hell we're (Puerto Rico) smaller than Jamaica and we have more big name fighters/meaningful champions from 60 to now lol

Carlos Ortiz (ok it was 59 but hell lol)

Jose "Chegui" Torres

Alfredo "Salsero" Escalera (lost his world title to Arguello)

Samuel Serrano

Wilfred Benitez (youngest world champ ever)

Esteban DeJesus (first to beat Duran, and even dropped him in the fights he
lost to Duran)

Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez (one of, if not the highest KO percentages in championship fights ever)

Carlos "Sugar" De Leon

Ossie Ocasio

Juan Laporte

Edwin "Chapo" Rosario

Hector "Macho" Camacho

Wilfredo "Wil" Vazquez

John John Molina

Felix "Tito" Trinidad

Alex "El Nene" Sanchez

Eric Morel

Daniel Santos

Nelson Dieppa

Ivan Calderon

Miguel Cotto

and now Juan Manuel Lopez

and that's not counting all the champions just the ones that have had great success in the longterm or in getting positive attention

Thats a bold statement, more big names fighters than who? Someone made an accurate comment on this thread about the US having more ATG fighters than any other country in the world so what country are you saying that P.R. has more than?

[TitoFan]

USA (probably at #1)
Mexico
Puerto Rico
UK
Jamaica (if you count boxers such as Lloyd Honeyghan as well)

Wow, I forgot about Jamaica. On a per capita basis, it ranks very high, indeed.

A series of five monster upsets all by tough Jamaican fighters astounded me.

Trevor Berbick’s 1980 ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal set the stage for four more shockers. The welterweight champion Lloyd Honeyghan, nicknamed “Ragamuffin” due to his Jamaican roots, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing (43-12-1) beat Roberto Duran in 1982.
And there was the notable amateur fighter, Michael Bentt, former WBO
Heavyweight Champ, who knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in
1993 in an incredible first-round upset. The thing about Bentt was that he was very good amateur fighter, and Morrison’s camp had done a terrible
job researching his amateur record. Had he not suffered a career-ending and life-threatening injury in his fight with Herbie Hide, there is no telling how far he could have gone.


And who could forget the great Simon “Mantequilla” Brown, WBC and IBF
Welterweight Titleholder who KO’d Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC Light
Middleweight Title in Ring magazine’s Upset of the Year? What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.

hell we're (Puerto Rico) smaller than Jamaica and we have more big name fighters/meaningful champions from 60 to now lol

Carlos Ortiz (ok it was 59 but hell lol)

Jose "Chegui" Torres

Alfredo "Salsero" Escalera (lost his world title to Arguello)

Samuel Serrano

Wilfred Benitez (youngest world champ ever)

Esteban DeJesus (first to beat Duran, and even dropped him in the fights he
lost to Duran)

Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez (one of, if not the highest KO percentages in championship fights ever)

Carlos "Sugar" De Leon

Ossie Ocasio

Juan Laporte

Edwin "Chapo" Rosario

Hector "Macho" Camacho

Wilfredo "Wil" Vazquez

John John Molina

Felix "Tito" Trinidad

Alex "El Nene" Sanchez

Eric Morel

Daniel Santos

Nelson Dieppa

Ivan Calderon

Miguel Cotto

and now Juan Manuel Lopez

and that's not counting all the champions just the ones that have had great success in the longterm or in getting positive attention

Good list bro. But you forgot Angel "Cholo" Espada, and probably a few others.

[holmcall]

Any guy named "Cholo," you gotta like.

[Sir Valentine]

Yes i know what what per capita means. but that wasn't the question on this Thread. the question was simple and the answer is simple USA/MEXICO. a champion is a champion , real numbers are real numbers, results are results. just because a certain country is bigger doesnt mean its champions and dominance of the sport counts less than the results from smaller countries. just remember the question (What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?) NOT (which country has produced the best and most per capita champions). so stop trying to disect and misderect the question just to make Puerto Rico win cause it wont happen. in the records all that counts are the real and hard and cold numbers not the per capita/current population/population growth,boom/estimated population/econonic growth and development or other types of non boxing issues. Yes Puerto Rico and other countries have good boxing traditions but only the USA and MEXICO have GREAT/RICH BOXING histories and traditions. So if the truth hurts oh well u cant please everybody. one must maintain neutrality when answering this question and not let your national pride get in the way. so again hands-down USA and MEXICO

[ElTerribleMorales]

Yes i know what what per capita means. but that wasn't the question on this Thread. the question was simple and the answer is simple USA/MEXICO. a champion is a champion , real numbers are real numbers, results are results. just because a certain country is bigger doesnt mean its champions and dominance of the sport counts less than the results from smaller countries. just remember the question (What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?) NOT (which country has produced the best and most per capita champions). so stop trying to disect and misderect the question just to make Puerto Rico win cause it wont happen. in the records all that counts are the real and hard and cold numbers not the per capita/current population/population growth,boom/estimated population/econonic growth and development or other types of non boxing issues. Yes Puerto Rico and other countries have good boxing traditions but only the USA and MEXICO have GREAT/RICH BOXING histories and traditions. So if the truth hurts oh well u cant please everybody. one must maintain neutrality when answering this question and not let your national pride get in the way. so again hands-down USA and MEXICO

well but you gotta consider size though bro, just cause you consider a dude who wins a belt a champion well yea USA/Mexico take the cake, but shit, we're smaller than most CITIES in the US and yet most the champions, and emphasis on CHAMPION, that come out of PR make a statement and don't just win a belt to lose it in the first defense

[Sir Valentine]

Yes but in boxing the size of a country population wise and or landmass wise is not what goes in the record books. Its what each country has produced, given to the sport, the amount of champions, quality of fighters, dominance of the skill, consistency, amount of money/income it brings in to this industry. not how big or small a country is. but the product itself (fighters/quality of figthers). its not the boxing industry's or fighters fault that the USA and MEXICO's size is huge in terms of population and land mass. but it is the fighters, homegrown talents and trainers fault for producing such great amount of champions and quality boxers for these two GREAT FIGHTING NATIONS. yes many smaller countries produce great champions and warriors but here we are talking about the BIG PICTURE. So how ever you wanna cut it, slice it or dice it you're only blinding yourself to the TRUE/REAL/FACTS. USA and MEXICO are the GIANTS of BOXING.

[holmcall]

But that would be difficult to document, would it not?