Man...what a fukkin cold winter this is...

[ICB]

Been pretty cold here more than usual -1 for the last few days, but i still go out and do my training even with this stinking cold i got at the moment

[El Kabong]

Global Warming!!!! We're all gonna die just like in "The Day After Tomorrow" or "An Inconveniant Truth"

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Global Warming!!!! We're all gonna die just like in "The Day After Tomorrow" or "An Inconveniant Truth"

Day after Tomorrow is absolute Hollywood drivel, pure fiction that has been totally debunked by scientists. An Inconvenient Truth is quite a bit different.

[El Kabong]

I beg to differ....Al Gore is FULL OF SHIT

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I beg to differ....Al Gore is FULL OF SHIT

OK, mon, if you truly don't see the difference between Day after Tomorrow and Al Gore, we probably won't have much basis for agreement.

Al Gore is a Democrat, I'll give you that point, but he does have support in the scientific community. I suppose you prefer the Sarah Palin theory of climate change?

What do you think of the situation of a large number of states in the US acting more or less independantly of the Feds when it became clear that action from the federal administration wasn't exactly forthcoming?

[El Kabong]

Yes go right ahead and try and discredit my view simply because I disagree with Al Gore. Sure I could bring up past stories about Global Warming, Global Cooling, or Climate Change from waaaaaay back in the day and all the choas and havoc they thought was going to go on and we're still here but that wouldn't matter as "new science" has provided new theories and new hypothesi about what affect we're having on the Earth. All I am saying is Al Gore is wrong and I have an opinion that's different from his, I'm not trying to sell books or movies or light bulbs and I don't benefit at all from having a different view, infact I suffer because recognizing "global warming/cooling/climate change" is the DEFAULT position of universities, the media, and so on but there are scientists who I agree with but it doesn't matter as everyone tries to discredit them as well.....so compare me with Sarah Palin if you like, I don't like her, I don't think like her but that too is the DEFAULT position of the left, whenever a Republican, Conservative, or anyone else disagrees with you just call them stupid...don't try and have a debate with them, don't have an intelligent conversation with them, just insult their intelligence and leave it at that.

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Yes go right ahead and try and discredit my view simply because I disagree with Al Gore. Sure I could bring up past stories about Global Warming, Global Cooling, or Climate Change from waaaaaay back in the day and all the choas and havoc they thought was going to go on and we're still here but that wouldn't matter as "new science" has provided new theories and new hypothesi about what affect we're having on the Earth. All I am saying is Al Gore is wrong and I have an opinion that's different from his, I'm not trying to sell books or movies or light bulbs and I don't benefit at all from having a different view, infact I suffer because recognizing "global warming/cooling/climate change" is the DEFAULT position of universities, the media, and so on but there are scientists who I agree with but it doesn't matter as everyone tries to discredit them as well.....so compare me with Sarah Palin if you like, I don't like her, I don't think like her but that too is the DEFAULT position of the left, whenever a Republican, Conservative, or anyone else disagrees with you just call them stupid...don't try and have a debate with them, don't have an intelligent conversation with them, just insult their intelligence and leave it at that.

Man, you just contradicted yourself within one statement. Kinda like saying all democrats generalize. But let's not make this discussion into something it's not. I'm asking whether or not you agreed with Palin's position on global warming. This ain't about her smarts, or lack thereof. I'll assume the political leanings of Gore and Palin is a coincidence and has nothing to do with your position..

There are those who think that global warming is primarily caused by man made activities, and that the problems are going to continue to get worse and that we should try to change our ways a bit in order to do something. And there is a lot of science to support that.

And there are those who think Global warming is a natural thing, that is not caused by man's activities. That's the Palin theory, thouugh she ain't the only one. There is some science to support that, mostly the support is a reverse kind of proof, "It has not been absolutely proven that this is not the case"

Bush, he seems unable or unwilling to do anything, but he seems to lean towards option 2.

To diminish position I by calling it the "default position" is pure horseshit. Besides what do the fucking universities know anyway, right? Again you're making the same sort of mistake you accused me of making. The level of international opinion and scientific research is massively in favor of position I with the effect of greenhouse gases, burning of fossil fuels etc.

But yeah, there are some scientists who take position II

What's your position? From what I can tell, it seems more like position II. It seems like you are not ready to concede that global warming even exists, am I right?

[Taeth]

You guys are complaining about minus 10 C? That feels like summer where I am, we just had two weeks of -30 C, and our coldest part of winter hasn't even come yet, and you guys wonder why I am so fucking bitter...