Is Hatton Pac's most powerful opponent yet?

[TitoFan]

Hatton may have the edge in strength and size, 'cause remember that 140 is Hatton's weight and has been forever. And also remember that although Pac looked incredibly strong at 147 against DLH, he was still several divisions north of his natural fighting weight. I still think it's nothing short of amazing how Pac went up all those weight divisions and maintained his speed, agility, and brought some power up with him.

But there's a difference between fighting drained, washed-up, all-past-his-prime DLH at 147, and fighting Hatton at his natural weight. I think this (Pac-Hatton) will be a much more competitive fight than was Pac-DLH, but I still give Pac the edge. Hatton may have the size advantage, but Pac has fought guys (JMM, MAB, Morales) with many more skills than Hatton brings to the table.

[donnydarkoIRL]

and then hugged him...

He Stopped him

he sure did...and?

Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm?

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

[Julius Rain]

He Stopped him

he sure did...and?

Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm?

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

[donnydarkoIRL]

he sure did...and?

Kostya is one of my favorite but does he rank up there with eric, marco, and jmm?

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

[ICB]

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

[Julius Rain]

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.

I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.

When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer

Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense?

The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.

[ICB]

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.

I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.

When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer

Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense?

The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.

Rains the stuff you quoted in red i didn't say that Donny did. I was actually sort of agreeing with you i wasn't using any excuses. I think you need to read my post again.

[brucelee]

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I agree with you ICB. MAB was just coronated as king of the featherweight when he fought Pac. That was after MAB schooled Hamed. People are forgetting this. Pac was fighting MAB who was at his peak.IMO.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Is hatton pac's most holding opponent yet?

[Cortez The Killer]

Forgive me ass straight off:

I didnt read any responses here yet.

I think yes: Hatton is definitely the hardest oppent Pac would fight.

PAC schooled dlh, but from a fairly non-biased view dlh was looking pretty zombie that night.

And I am not taking away from Pacquiao. Oscar just didnt have it in him physically that night.

I have never been a fan of Hatton, but that doesnt mean I dont like him. He's a hard, rough, go ahead fighter and anyone who fights him is going to have to buckle down hard and be in their game, because he is a little pitbull even on his off nights.

Hatton detractors can say what they want: but the fact is at 140 he is a physical force. Oscar at 147 wasnt, he was a dead man walking.

I think a number of fighters could have beaten Oscar that night. Not as smooothly as Manny, but they would have beaten Oscar down and ended it before the final bell. The fact that Manny did it moving up was what was spectacular, but it didnt look like DLH had too much fight in him to start out. Whatever was there Pac beat down quickly.



From what I said it may sound like I'd favor hatton against pac. But I dont.

Hatton looked nervous when he saw how thoroughly pacman destroyed oscar.

Ricky had doubt in how he would fare against oscar when it was being talked about, and even though it was a weak oscar that showed up against pacman, hatton still has that fear.

Pac out speeds hatton. Hatton will give a very good fight, but he just wont have it.

However much free money I have that night it's on Pac UD.

[Julius Rain]

Well, yes.

Kostya is rated as perhaps the gretest Light Welter ever and was ranked by many as p4p No.1 when MAB and Erik were in their primes (before Pac fought them.)

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

well koysta wasn't just about power. he was awesome to watch because of his accuracy.

I was actually suprise floyd ko'ed ricky, floyd is not well known for his power. Nor is Lazcano but Juan Lazcano was able to hit and nearly put hatton away. Knowing how good a trainer roach is, im sure his going to send pacman out on hatton with a solid game plan. Ok sure pac has not fought at 140, but his speed,stamina and power seem to be there even at 147. Plus he doesn't have to drain himself to make weight anymore. You guys may believe hatton is a devestating body puncher, but is he really? he looked great against pauli but pauli is a soft puncher, hatton could of cared less if pauli caught him with whatever. His going to care and really feel pacs punches though, he probubly wont see them coming nor know where or when they get to him

[BlackRazor]

Hatton may have the edge in strength and size, 'cause remember that 140 is Hatton's weight and has been forever. And also remember that although Pac looked incredibly strong at 147 against DLH, he was still several divisions north of his natural fighting weight. I still think it's nothing short of amazing how Pac went up all those weight divisions and maintained his speed, agility, and brought some power up with him.

But there's a difference between fighting drained, washed-up, all-past-his-prime DLH at 147, and fighting Hatton at his natural weight. I think this (Pac-Hatton) will be a much more competitive fight than was Pac-DLH, but I still give Pac the edge. Hatton may have the size advantage, but Pac has fought guys (JMM, MAB, Morales) with many more skills than Hatton brings to the table.

Great points Tito!

[Master]

Hatton will be the strongest and most powerful-est opponent Pac has faced. It will be harder for Pac as his natural weight should be at lightweight and possibly below, so that he can use his size and power against the smaller fighters. Hatton will take Pac's shots and come back with stronger ones of his own. Pac will survive with his boxing speed and southpaw stance for a while but will get hurt and stopped possibly late by Hatton.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Hattons power is not going to be as effective as what you might think IMO. For power to even be effective its got to land. I believe that will be the problem for Ricky Hatton. Pacquiao's movement from his head to his feet will give Hatton problems all night long. To me speed is more important in this fight than power. Ricky Hatton is powerful but Pacquiao has some stone hands himself. Its not just speed that has stopped so many of Pacquiao's opponets. When Hatton fought Mayweather, he was head hunting all night, not investing in the body at all and I think thats what cost him the fight. With Pacquiao's equally if not more impressive movement I think this fight will end up the same way, except not a one punch knockout. Im going with an 11th round TKO. Winner Manny Pacquiao. I think it will be a very entertaining fight!

[El Kabong]

Well I think Ricky Hatton has had his day you can't yo-yo your weight so much and still be the same guy. I don't think Mayweather's training style will help him either.

Pacquiao will have to watch out for the clinching and infighting Hatton loves to do. Ricky is going to try and bully Pacquiao and as always I think Manny is going to use his speed and agility to land power punches. Manny has too much speed, too much stamina for Ricky to handle....Ricky's best shot is to make it a rough fight and wear Manny down which he has the ability to do....I just don't know how Ricky is going to take to the southpaw stance vs a guy with fast hands and good power.