George Bush nearly pelted with shoes

[El Kabong]

No,because it was just about the only thing keeping the Iranians from rolling over his eastern border.
It was the only cards he was holding in that game of poker

So if Iran rolled into Iraq we wouldn't help?


OK miles, many people thought I was fair in my view of the situation.

#1 We (the US and England and our Allies) begged for democratic elections and we got them but our buddies didn't win.

#2 Hamas won the election meaning we SHOULD recognize them as democratically elected BUT Hamas also needs to recognize Israel and be prepared to "play ball" in politics and not support terrorist actions such as lobbing missles into Israel and suicide bombings.

....same deal goes for Hezbollah, they were elected but they are not going to make any headway by continuing to act as militant organizations. And of course Israel needs to ease back on the way they act but if people were suicide bombing where you live I would bet the security would be just a tad harsher but then again that kind of action does tend to be returned to you....golden rule and all

[Trainer Monkey]

No,because it was just about the only thing keeping the Iranians from rolling over his eastern border.
It was the only cards he was holding in that game of poker

So if Iran rolled into Iraq we wouldn't help?


OK miles, many people thought I was fair in my view of the situation.

#1 We (the US and England and our Allies) begged for democratic elections and we got them but our buddies didn't win.

#2 Hamas won the election meaning we SHOULD recognize them as democratically elected BUT Hamas also needs to recognize Israel and be prepared to "play ball" in politics and not support terrorist actions such as lobbing missles into Israel and suicide bombings.

....same deal goes for Hezbollah, they were elected but they are not going to make any headway by continuing to act as militant organizations. And of course Israel needs to ease back on the way they act but if people were suicide bombing where you live I would bet the security would be just a tad harsher but then again that kind of action does tend to be returned to you....golden rule and all

Considering we spent all of the 80's playing on both sides of that fence,I doubt we would have done much. We were giving the Iraqi's chemical weapons,and charging the Iranians for conventional launching systems

[El Kabong]

The US supporting Iraq and Iran during the Cold War is different.

[Trainer Monkey]

The US supporting Iraq and Iran during the Cold War is different.

Not really,we'd have let Iran run right over them after Gulf War 1,it would be better on a public relations front

[Gandalf]

No,because it was just about the only thing keeping the Iranians from rolling over his eastern border.
It was the only cards he was holding in that game of poker

So if Iran rolled into Iraq we wouldn't help?


OK miles, many people thought I was fair in my view of the situation.

#1 We (the US and England and our Allies) begged for democratic elections and we got them but our buddies didn't win.

#2 Hamas won the election meaning we SHOULD recognize them as democratically elected BUT Hamas also needs to recognize Israel and be prepared to "play ball" in politics and not support terrorist actions such as lobbing missles into Israel and suicide bombings.

....same deal goes for Hezbollah, they were elected but they are not going to make any headway by continuing to act as militant organizations. And of course Israel needs to ease back on the way they act but if people were suicide bombing where you live I would bet the security would be just a tad harsher but then again that kind of action does tend to be returned to you....golden rule and all

Israel has done an awful lot of bad shit in that region. Its no small wonder that you have disgruntled people wanting to hurt the Israeli state. I certainly have empathy with the view that Israel shouldnt even be there anyway, regardless of what crap has gone on since its formation. But that isnt constructive and Israel is there and to stay, and so I wont go into that.

Anyway, this is the wrong place to be debating this. The other thread is there and Im more than happy to keep that one occupied for what its worth. Though occupy probably isnt the most apt word to use right now.

[Trainer Monkey]

No,because it was just about the only thing keeping the Iranians from rolling over his eastern border.
It was the only cards he was holding in that game of poker

So if Iran rolled into Iraq we wouldn't help?


OK miles, many people thought I was fair in my view of the situation.

#1 We (the US and England and our Allies) begged for democratic elections and we got them but our buddies didn't win.

#2 Hamas won the election meaning we SHOULD recognize them as democratically elected BUT Hamas also needs to recognize Israel and be prepared to "play ball" in politics and not support terrorist actions such as lobbing missles into Israel and suicide bombings.

....same deal goes for Hezbollah, they were elected but they are not going to make any headway by continuing to act as militant organizations. And of course Israel needs to ease back on the way they act but if people were suicide bombing where you live I would bet the security would be just a tad harsher but then again that kind of action does tend to be returned to you....golden rule and all

Israel has done an awful lot of bad shit in that region. Its no small wonder that you have disgruntled people wanting to hurt the Israeli state. I certainly have empathy with the view that Israel shouldnt even be there anyway, regardless of what crap has gone on since its formation. But that isnt constructive and Israel is there and to stay, and so I wont go into that.

Anyway, this is the wrong place to be debating this. The other thread is there and Im more than happy to keep that one occupied for what its worth. Though occupy probably isnt the most apt word to use right now.

Its more or less what I said in the first place,since its our money funding it,we should grab both of them by the back of the neck like two kids in the schoolyard and tell them to knock it the hell off. Every time we have taken that attitude,they chill the hell out for awhile,both sides. Every time we take an attitude of,"Israel right or wrong" all hell breaks loose

[Gandalf]

So if Iran rolled into Iraq we wouldn't help?


OK miles, many people thought I was fair in my view of the situation.

#1 We (the US and England and our Allies) begged for democratic elections and we got them but our buddies didn't win.

#2 Hamas won the election meaning we SHOULD recognize them as democratically elected BUT Hamas also needs to recognize Israel and be prepared to "play ball" in politics and not support terrorist actions such as lobbing missles into Israel and suicide bombings.

....same deal goes for Hezbollah, they were elected but they are not going to make any headway by continuing to act as militant organizations. And of course Israel needs to ease back on the way they act but if people were suicide bombing where you live I would bet the security would be just a tad harsher but then again that kind of action does tend to be returned to you....golden rule and all

Israel has done an awful lot of bad shit in that region. Its no small wonder that you have disgruntled people wanting to hurt the Israeli state. I certainly have empathy with the view that Israel shouldnt even be there anyway, regardless of what crap has gone on since its formation. But that isnt constructive and Israel is there and to stay, and so I wont go into that.

Anyway, this is the wrong place to be debating this. The other thread is there and Im more than happy to keep that one occupied for what its worth. Though occupy probably isnt the most apt word to use right now.

Its more or less what I said in the first place,since its our money funding it,we should grab both of them by the back of the neck like two kids in the schoolyard and tell them to knock it the hell off. Every time we have taken that attitude,they chill the hell out for awhile,both sides. Every time we take an attitude of,"Israel right or wrong" all hell breaks loose

The Americans have never taken Israel aside and shows little prospect of doing so now. You are right, the terror has been subsidised by US taxes and the US governments of yesterday and today should therefore take some responsibility for this ever continuing situation.

Anyway, Im sticking to the other thread now as far as Israel is concerned. The only thing I will say more is that Bush should be pelted with more than shoes. He should be held accountable for crimes commited against humanity. But again, just a blind hope in a world that doesnt hold the almighty and powerful accountable for anything much. You hold Bush responsible and then you have a lot of the worlds leaders responsible for atrocities. Its just that Bush's blood is more, but you cant go around comparing measuring jugs of blood, can you?

[Kirkland Laing]

No,because it was just about the only thing keeping the Iranians from rolling over his eastern border.
It was the only cards he was holding in that game of poker

So if Iran rolled into Iraq we wouldn't help?


OK miles, many people thought I was fair in my view of the situation.

#1 We (the US and England and our Allies) begged for democratic elections and we got them but our buddies didn't win.

#2 Hamas won the election meaning we SHOULD recognize them as democratically elected BUT Hamas also needs to recognize Israel and be prepared to "play ball" in politics and not support terrorist actions such as lobbing missles into Israel and suicide bombings.

....same deal goes for Hezbollah, they were elected but they are not going to make any headway by continuing to act as militant organizations. And of course Israel needs to ease back on the way they act but if people were suicide bombing where you live I would bet the security would be just a tad harsher but then again that kind of action does tend to be returned to you....golden rule and all

Iran are already in Iraq, they're in power in baghdad after George Bush cleared the way for them to take over the country. Americans are currently fighting and dying to keep them in power.

Hezbollah got elected entirely because they resisted Israel. The thing you're not doing here is seeing this from the other side's point of view. If you'd been stuck in a refugee camp in a corner of America since 1948 and somebody had some success in fighting back against the people who were brutally militarily occupying even your small corner and who stole the land you originally came from, don't you think you'd support them? how do you think Hezbollah/Hamas got elected?