Calzaghe-Hagler?

[porkypara]

After reading a few but not all of the posts on this thread one thing is very clear.


A lot of posters have only watched one or two of Haglers fights.I am guessing the Hearns fight,SRL fight and maybe the Minter fight coz thats when he won the title.

If you watch Haglers many other fights you will realise that Hagler is not a devestating 1 punch fighter.

He wore his opponents down with lots of good well placed hard shots and kept his power in to the latter rounds.

At times he was also happy to outbox opponents rather than try to stop them


Because of the way he won over Hearns I think some people think he is like a middleweight Tyson.

Marvin only went the distance with Duran , then when alot slower and past his best , Leonard.He koed all his other challengers.
Marvin did have good boxing skills , also he could eat punches and chase a fighter down , something Calzaghe could never do , even againest poor oponants.
Calzaghe is a good fighter for sure , but im sorry i do not accept he could have beaten Marvin , based on the fact he beat a shot Jones , 43 Hopkins , and Kessler.

For the record i have nearly all Marvin Hagler's fights.

If you asked me who has acomplished more in there carrer and is the better all round fighter I would say Hagler.

But as the saying goes " styles make fights" and Calzaghe has the style and skills to beat Hagler.

[Dark Lord Al]

After reading a few but not all of the posts on this thread one thing is very clear.


A lot of posters have only watched one or two of Haglers fights.I am guessing the Hearns fight,SRL fight and maybe the Minter fight coz thats when he won the title.

If you watch Haglers many other fights you will realise that Hagler is not a devestating 1 punch fighter.

He wore his opponents down with lots of good well placed hard shots and kept his power in to the latter rounds.

At times he was also happy to outbox opponents rather than try to stop them


Because of the way he won over Hearns I think some people think he is like a middleweight Tyson.

Marvin only went the distance with Duran , then when alot slower and past his best , Leonard.He koed all his other challengers.
Marvin did have good boxing skills , also he could eat punches and chase a fighter down , something Calzaghe could never do , even againest poor oponants.
Calzaghe is a good fighter for sure , but im sorry i do not accept he could have beaten Marvin , based on the fact he beat a shot Jones , 43 Hopkins , and Kessler.

For the record i have nearly all Marvin Hagler's fights.

If you asked me who has acomplished more in there carrer and is the better all round fighter I would say Hagler.

But as the saying goes " styles make fights" and Calzaghe has the style and skills to beat Hagler.

Hey Porkmiester , i respect your opinion , but i feel that if a guy like Reid can pressure and almost beat a prime Calzaghe , and Byron Mitchell can knock down a prime Calzaghe , i feel a prime Hagler would walk through him.
But hey its all about opinions.

[porkypara]

Marvin only went the distance with Duran , then when alot slower and past his best , Leonard.He koed all his other challengers.
Marvin did have good boxing skills , also he could eat punches and chase a fighter down , something Calzaghe could never do , even againest poor oponants.
Calzaghe is a good fighter for sure , but im sorry i do not accept he could have beaten Marvin , based on the fact he beat a shot Jones , 43 Hopkins , and Kessler.

For the record i have nearly all Marvin Hagler's fights.

If you asked me who has acomplished more in there carrer and is the better all round fighter I would say Hagler.

But as the saying goes " styles make fights" and Calzaghe has the style and skills to beat Hagler.

Hey Porkmiester , i respect your opinion , but i feel that if a guy like Reid can pressure and almost beat a prime Calzaghe , and Byron Mitchell can knock down a prime Calzaghe , i feel a prime Hagler would walk through him.
But hey its all about opinions.

All fighter get knocked down from time to time and have hard fights against lower level fighters.

Calzaghe has all the things that you need to beat Hagler.

1-Speed of hand and foot.

2-Great boxing skills and able to control a fight

3-Great chin


But like you said its all down to opinons.

[RozzySean]

After reading a few but not all of the posts on this thread one thing is very clear.


A lot of posters have only watched one or two of Haglers fights.I am guessing the Hearns fight,SRL fight and maybe the Minter fight coz thats when he won the title.

If you watch Haglers many other fights you will realise that Hagler is not a devestating 1 punch fighter.

He wore his opponents down with lots of good well placed hard shots and kept his power in to the latter rounds.

At times he was also happy to outbox opponents rather than try to stop them


Because of the way he won over Hearns I think some people think he is like a middleweight Tyson.

Marvin only went the distance with Duran , then when alot slower and past his best , Leonard.He koed all his other challengers.
Marvin did have good boxing skills , also he could eat punches and chase a fighter down , something Calzaghe could never do , even againest poor oponants.
Calzaghe is a good fighter for sure , but im sorry i do not accept he could have beaten Marvin , based on the fact he beat a shot Jones , 43 Hopkins , and Kessler.

For the record i have nearly all Marvin Hagler's fights.

If you asked me who has acomplished more in there carrer and is the better all round fighter I would say Hagler.

But as the saying goes " styles make fights" and Calzaghe has the style and skills to beat Hagler.

Actually I disagree, and I think you're perception of this comes from the Lacy fight and thinking that Hagler is somehow a Lacy-style fighter. He wasn't. Lacy didn't have a quarter of the boxing and countering skill of Hagler. He just bullrushed guys. Even Peter Manfredo was outboxing him for 4 rounds.

Hagler has the style to beat Calzaghe. Hagler had the chin to accept whatever Calzaghe could dish out and all those punches Calzaghe throws are more chances for Hagler to counter. When people think counterpuncher now, they think James Toney, Mayweather, or Chris Byrd, fighter would counter and potshot. Hagler would box until he saw his open counter, and continue forward with aggressive pressure. He was also great at cutting off the ring. Can you imagine what Hagler would do Calzaghe in the corners? If Calzaghe got rocked like he did against Jones or Salem, Marvin would have been able to press the advantage effectively. He was a master of that.

[porkypara]

Marvin only went the distance with Duran , then when alot slower and past his best , Leonard.He koed all his other challengers.
Marvin did have good boxing skills , also he could eat punches and chase a fighter down , something Calzaghe could never do , even againest poor oponants.
Calzaghe is a good fighter for sure , but im sorry i do not accept he could have beaten Marvin , based on the fact he beat a shot Jones , 43 Hopkins , and Kessler.

For the record i have nearly all Marvin Hagler's fights.

If you asked me who has acomplished more in there carrer and is the better all round fighter I would say Hagler.

But as the saying goes " styles make fights" and Calzaghe has the style and skills to beat Hagler.

Actually I disagree, and I think you're perception of this comes from the Lacy fight and thinking that Hagler is somehow a Lacy-style fighter. He wasn't. Lacy didn't have a quarter of the boxing and countering skill of Hagler. He just bullrushed guys. Even Peter Manfredo was outboxing him for 4 rounds.

Hagler has the style to beat Calzaghe. Hagler had the chin to accept whatever Calzaghe could dish out and all those punches Calzaghe throws are more chances for Hagler to counter. When people think counterpuncher now, they think James Toney, Mayweather, or Chris Byrd, fighter would counter and potshot. Hagler would box until he saw his open counter, and continue forward with aggressive pressure. He was also great at cutting off the ring. Can you imagine what Hagler would do Calzaghe in the corners? If Calzaghe got rocked like he did against Jones or Salem, Marvin would have been able to press the advantage effectively. He was a master of that.

Mate,to compair Hagler with Lacy is a discrace.

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Yeah, Lacy actually wan a world title above middleweight and got beat by the best supermiddle and not a welter

[RozzySean]

If you asked me who has acomplished more in there carrer and is the better all round fighter I would say Hagler.

But as the saying goes " styles make fights" and Calzaghe has the style and skills to beat Hagler.

Actually I disagree, and I think you're perception of this comes from the Lacy fight and thinking that Hagler is somehow a Lacy-style fighter. He wasn't. Lacy didn't have a quarter of the boxing and countering skill of Hagler. He just bullrushed guys. Even Peter Manfredo was outboxing him for 4 rounds.

Hagler has the style to beat Calzaghe. Hagler had the chin to accept whatever Calzaghe could dish out and all those punches Calzaghe throws are more chances for Hagler to counter. When people think counterpuncher now, they think James Toney, Mayweather, or Chris Byrd, fighter would counter and potshot. Hagler would box until he saw his open counter, and continue forward with aggressive pressure. He was also great at cutting off the ring. Can you imagine what Hagler would do Calzaghe in the corners? If Calzaghe got rocked like he did against Jones or Salem, Marvin would have been able to press the advantage effectively. He was a master of that.

Mate,to compair Hagler with Lacy is a discrace.

If you aren't using the Lacy fight as a bases for your statement that Calzaghe has the "style" to beat Hagler, you must be thinking about the Leonard fight? Who has Calzaghe fought that is close to Hagler's style? Calzaghe has proved that he as the style to beat guys who come forward without a plan (Lacy) or with only one plan (Kessler), and guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

I only brought up Lacy because I assuming you had that fight in mind when considering the two styles, but you must be thinking that Calzaghe would fight him like Leonard did.

Question, do you thing Calzaghe would be able to pitty-pat and run like Leonard did? That's the only style the "beat" Hagler, and it only worked on an old Marvin. Does Calzaghe have the footspeed of Ray Leonard? I'm not sure Calzaghe has the legs run like Leonard for 12 rounds. Calzaghe is going to engage, and that provides Hagler with opportunity.

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guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

Joe stopped them from working they were to intimidated to throw because they Knew Joe would be all over em like a rash, neither has ever looked as bad as they did against Joe, Hopkins was certainly throwing more than one punch at a time when he beat the supposed threat to Joe

[Dark Lord Al]

guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

Joe stopped them from working they were to intimidated to throw because they Knew Joe would be all over em like a rash, neither has ever looked as bad as they did against Joe, Hopkins was certainly throwing more than one punch at a time when he beat the supposed threat to Joe

I respect your opinion but im afraid Hagler beats Cazlaghe , and in my opinion it isnt even a close contest , i think Tommy Hearns was a better Puncher and better boxer than JC , everybody keeps saying how JC would box , well when Marvin was in his prime he wouldnt allow him to box , pressure pressure pressure , and Calzaghe gets stopped , for my money .

[porkypara]

guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

Joe stopped them from working they were to intimidated to throw because they Knew Joe would be all over em like a rash, neither has ever looked as bad as they did against Joe, Hopkins was certainly throwing more than one punch at a time when he beat the supposed threat to Joe

I respect your opinion but im afraid Hagler beats Cazlaghe , and in my opinion it isnt even a close contest , i think Tommy Hearns was a better Puncher and better boxer than JC , everybody keeps saying how JC would box , well when Marvin was in his prime he wouldnt allow him to box , pressure pressure pressure , and Calzaghe gets stopped , for my money .

To say that you think Hagler would win is fair enough because it would be a close fight IMO but to say that Calzaghe would be stopped is totaly off the mark.
Calzaghe has never been close to being stopped and he can fight 12 rounds at a fast pace with ease.

[porkypara]

Actually I disagree, and I think you're perception of this comes from the Lacy fight and thinking that Hagler is somehow a Lacy-style fighter. He wasn't. Lacy didn't have a quarter of the boxing and countering skill of Hagler. He just bullrushed guys. Even Peter Manfredo was outboxing him for 4 rounds.

Hagler has the style to beat Calzaghe. Hagler had the chin to accept whatever Calzaghe could dish out and all those punches Calzaghe throws are more chances for Hagler to counter. When people think counterpuncher now, they think James Toney, Mayweather, or Chris Byrd, fighter would counter and potshot. Hagler would box until he saw his open counter, and continue forward with aggressive pressure. He was also great at cutting off the ring. Can you imagine what Hagler would do Calzaghe in the corners? If Calzaghe got rocked like he did against Jones or Salem, Marvin would have been able to press the advantage effectively. He was a master of that.

Mate,to compair Hagler with Lacy is a discrace.

If you aren't using the Lacy fight as a bases for your statement that Calzaghe has the "style" to beat Hagler, you must be thinking about the Leonard fight? Who has Calzaghe fought that is close to Hagler's style? Calzaghe has proved that he as the style to beat guys who come forward without a plan (Lacy) or with only one plan (Kessler), and guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

I only brought up Lacy because I assuming you had that fight in mind when considering the two styles, but you must be thinking that Calzaghe would fight him like Leonard did.

Question, do you thing Calzaghe would be able to pitty-pat and run like Leonard did? That's the only style the "beat" Hagler, and it only worked on an old Marvin. Does Calzaghe have the footspeed of Ray Leonard? I'm not sure Calzaghe has the legs run like Leonard for 12 rounds. Calzaghe is going to engage, and that provides Hagler with opportunity.

At middleweight SRL had no punch power.His corner even told him not to load up on his shots.

Everybody says that Hagler was past his best when he boxed SRL which is true,but dont forget SRL was past his best as well and also fighting at a new weight for the first time in 4 years.

YES I think Calzaghe could move and box Hagler over 12 rounds.I think he could beat Hagler to the punch then move or just change the angle a bit.
Calzaghe would not risk going toe to toe with Hagler unless he could feel him wilting which is unlightly.

I am not saying it would be an easy fight for Joe but on his night he could beat MMH.

[RozzySean]

Mate,to compair Hagler with Lacy is a discrace.

If you aren't using the Lacy fight as a bases for your statement that Calzaghe has the "style" to beat Hagler, you must be thinking about the Leonard fight? Who has Calzaghe fought that is close to Hagler's style? Calzaghe has proved that he as the style to beat guys who come forward without a plan (Lacy) or with only one plan (Kessler), and guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

I only brought up Lacy because I assuming you had that fight in mind when considering the two styles, but you must be thinking that Calzaghe would fight him like Leonard did.

Question, do you thing Calzaghe would be able to pitty-pat and run like Leonard did? That's the only style the "beat" Hagler, and it only worked on an old Marvin. Does Calzaghe have the footspeed of Ray Leonard? I'm not sure Calzaghe has the legs run like Leonard for 12 rounds. Calzaghe is going to engage, and that provides Hagler with opportunity.

At middleweight SRL had no punch power.His corner even told him not to load up on his shots.

Everybody says that Hagler was past his best when he boxed SRL which is true,but dont forget SRL was past his best as well and also fighting at a new weight for the first time in 4 years.

YES I think Calzaghe could move and box Hagler over 12 rounds.I think he could beat Hagler to the punch then move or just change the angle a bit.
Calzaghe would not risk going toe to toe with Hagler unless he could feel him wilting which is unlightly.

I am not saying it would be an easy fight for Joe but on his night he could beat MMH.

That's more reasonable logic, but I don't think Calzaghe has the legs the Leonard had, even coming off the layoff. I think it's a myth that the layoff had any negative impact on Leonard at all. Look at Vitali, he just came off a four year layoff and looked better than I have ever seen him. Leonard's layoff was actually an advantage for him. He had fewer miles on the tires and engine. Don't forgot, Ray took another year off, then hecame back to STOP a Donny LaLonde, a natural light heavyweight for the SMW and LHW belts. I'm not sure how Ray didn't have any power at MW, but then developed power at 168. Granted LaLonde wasn't an ATG, but he was a quality fighter in his prime. For all the talk of Leonard being a WW, the man was a two time SMW champion and a one-time LHW champion.

[RozzySean]

And he won all three of those belts after the Hagler fight.

[ICB]

Mate,to compair Hagler with Lacy is a discrace.

If you aren't using the Lacy fight as a bases for your statement that Calzaghe has the "style" to beat Hagler, you must be thinking about the Leonard fight? Who has Calzaghe fought that is close to Hagler's style? Calzaghe has proved that he as the style to beat guys who come forward without a plan (Lacy) or with only one plan (Kessler), and guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

I only brought up Lacy because I assuming you had that fight in mind when considering the two styles, but you must be thinking that Calzaghe would fight him like Leonard did.

Question, do you thing Calzaghe would be able to pitty-pat and run like Leonard did? That's the only style the "beat" Hagler, and it only worked on an old Marvin. Does Calzaghe have the footspeed of Ray Leonard? I'm not sure Calzaghe has the legs run like Leonard for 12 rounds. Calzaghe is going to engage, and that provides Hagler with opportunity.

At middleweight SRL had no punch power.His corner even told him not to load up on his shots.

Everybody says that Hagler was past his best when he boxed SRL which is true,but dont forget SRL was past his best as well and also fighting at a new weight for the first time in 4 years.

YES I think Calzaghe could move and box Hagler over 12 rounds.I think he could beat Hagler to the punch then move or just change the angle a bit.
Calzaghe would not risk going toe to toe with Hagler unless he could feel him wilting which is unlightly.

I am not saying it would be an easy fight for Joe but on his night he could beat MMH.

SRL stopped a Light Heavyweight Donny LaLonde who was a pretty big guy, so i disagree that SRL had no punching power at Middleweight or above.

[porkypara]

If you aren't using the Lacy fight as a bases for your statement that Calzaghe has the "style" to beat Hagler, you must be thinking about the Leonard fight? Who has Calzaghe fought that is close to Hagler's style? Calzaghe has proved that he as the style to beat guys who come forward without a plan (Lacy) or with only one plan (Kessler), and guys throw one punch at a time (Hopkins and Jones).

I only brought up Lacy because I assuming you had that fight in mind when considering the two styles, but you must be thinking that Calzaghe would fight him like Leonard did.

Question, do you thing Calzaghe would be able to pitty-pat and run like Leonard did? That's the only style the "beat" Hagler, and it only worked on an old Marvin. Does Calzaghe have the footspeed of Ray Leonard? I'm not sure Calzaghe has the legs run like Leonard for 12 rounds. Calzaghe is going to engage, and that provides Hagler with opportunity.

At middleweight SRL had no punch power.His corner even told him not to load up on his shots.

Everybody says that Hagler was past his best when he boxed SRL which is true,but dont forget SRL was past his best as well and also fighting at a new weight for the first time in 4 years.

YES I think Calzaghe could move and box Hagler over 12 rounds.I think he could beat Hagler to the punch then move or just change the angle a bit.
Calzaghe would not risk going toe to toe with Hagler unless he could feel him wilting which is unlightly.

I am not saying it would be an easy fight for Joe but on his night he could beat MMH.

SRL stopped a Light Heavyweight Donny LaLonde who was a pretty big guy, so i disagree that SRL had no punching power at Middleweight or above.

Point I was trying to make is that SRL was not trying to hit Hagler with hard shots.

The punches he hit him with had nothing on them.Ray has said that himself in the past.

As Tommy Hearns found out there is no point trying to KO Hagler coz he is as hard as they come so you got to try and out box him and out think him which Duran came close to doing and SRL did.