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    Default Re: Scientist finds evidence of "hobbit."

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    CGM, no disrespect, but you're talking so far out of your ass it's pathetic. In fact, you have very eloquently said absolutely nothing.

    you can't randomly or spontaneously form DNA, or any other life bearing molecule.
    OK man, you have it your way. But if you think entropy rules out evolution you are pathetically misinformed, no disrespect.
    What this one?
    Entropy (information theory)

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    This article is about the Shannon entropy in information theory. For other uses, see Entropy (disambiguation).
    This article incorporates material from Shannon's entropy on PlanetMath, which is licensed under the GFDL.
    In information theory, entropy (sometimes known as self-information) is a measure of the uncertainty associated with a random variable. The term by itself in this context usually refers to the Shannon entropy, which quantifies, in the sense of an expected value, the information contained in a message, usually in units such as bits. Equivalently, the Shannon entropy is a measure of the average information content one is missing when one does not know the value of the random variable. The concept was introduced by Claude E. Shannon in his 1948 paper "A Mathematical Theory of Communication".


    Why cant things co exist ? Why cant thesis co exist?Which leads to the real question why we as people cannot yet fully co exist >


    why couldnt the universe be created by divine love frequencies or a God if you need a name; then left to evolve as we surly have?
    OK, in your quote, entropy is defined as the measure of uncertainty in a random variable. It's kind of a statistical concept. Uncertainty can lead to disorder if you can accept that there are many more possible ways that things can be disordered than ordered in a certain way. An analogy, though not a particularly good one, is that of a herd of monkeys at typewriters accidentally typing out the words to Space Ritual by Hawkwind.

    Entropy does not say "nothing ever becomes more odered, things must only become more random". Entropy does say that things tend towards disorder, in a probablistic sense.

    Here is a quote from the same wiki article you have quoted from above. It seems to imply the opposite, that evolution is not inconsistent with laws of entropy.

    Entropy and life
    Main article: Entropy and life
    For nearly a century and a half, beginning with Clausius' 1863 memoir "On the Concentration of Rays of Heat and Light, and on the Limits of its Action", much writing and research has been devoted to the relationship between thermodynamic entropy and the evolution of life. The argument that life feeds on negative entropy or negentropy as put forth in the 1944 book What is Life? by physicist Erwin Schrödinger served as a further stimulus to this research. Recent writings[citation needed] have utilized the concept of Gibbs free energy to elaborate on this issue. Tangentially, some creationists have erroneously argued that entropy rules out evolution.[28]
    In the popular 1982 textbook Principles of Biochemistry by noted American biochemist Albert Lehninger, for example, it is argued that the order produced within cells as they grow and divide is more than compensated for by the disorder they create in their surroundings in the course of growth and division. In short, according to Lehninger, "living organisms preserve their internal order by taking from their surroundings free energy, in the form of nutrients or sunlight, and returning to their surroundings an equal amount of energy as heat and entropy."[29]
    Evolution related definitions:
    • Negentropy - a shorthand colloquial phrase for negative entropy.[30]
    • Ectropy - a measure of the tendency of a dynamical system to do useful work and grow more organized.[19]
    • Syntropy - a tendency towards order and symmetrical combinations and designs of ever more advantageous and orderly patterns.
    • Extropy – a metaphorical term defining the extent of a living or organizational system's intelligence, functional order, vitality, energy, life, experience, and capacity and drive for improvement and growth.
    • Ecological entropy - a measure of biodiversity in the study of biological ecology.
    In a study titled “Natural selection for least action” published in the Proceedings of The Royal Society A., Ville Kaila and Arto Annila of the University of Helsinki describe how the second law of thermodynamics can be written as an equation of motion to describe evolution, showing how natural selection and the principle of least action can be connected by expressing natural selection in terms of chemical thermodynamics. In this view, evolution explores possible paths to level differences in energy densities and so increase entropy most rapidly. Thus, an organism serves as an energy transfer mechanism, and beneficial mutations allow successive organisms to transfer more energy within their environment.[31]

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    Andre your question seems to ask, "couldn't it all be part of God's plan" I used to think so, in order to reconcile the existence of God with the implausibility of the Old Testament. But now, the whole idea that the evolution of earth's history over x billion years is all part of the grand plan of some supreme omnipotent being seems less plausible than the story that ends with, "and on the 7th day he rested".
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