Scientist finds evidence of "hobbit."

[Kirkland Laing]

An analysis of an 18,000-year-old fossil, described as the remains of a diminutive humanlike creature, proves that genuine cave-dwelling "hobbits" once flourished in southeast Asia, according to a US anthropologist who conducted X-ray studies of a skull.
Karen Baab, an anthropologist at Stony Brook University in Long Island, New York, said her evidence is the most compelling to date bolstering the existence of a tiny early human ancestor who stood no more than 3 feet 2 inches (1 metre) tall.
They're the closest cousins in the evolutionary tree of life resembling fictional hobbits of Lord of the Rings yore. She posits the creature represents a new species in humanity's chain of evolution and is not a group of modern humans who were merely small.




Skull study evidence of 'hobbit' species, claims US anthropologist | Science | guardian.co.uk

[Kev]

This debate has been ongoing for a couple of years.

When it was announced to the world a few years ago it made national news and Richard Dawkins went on Richard and Judy to proclaim how it finally proved evolution beyond doubt and that it put the final nail in the coffin for the God believers.

Unfortunately for him at least half of those evolutionary scientists who have actually worked on the 'Florensis' skeltal matter are entirely unconvinced that it is anything other than a diseased population of modern pgymy humans.

If the media ever actually reported on evolutionary mistakes then it would turn out to be highly embarrassing for them but sadly the news are only interested in the sensational claims of shocking evolutionary discoveries, which make the headlines all over the world. When they are invariably dumped a few years later it makes no news at all so in the minds of the public they are still genuine fossils, just like the average person thinks Neanderthals are a missing link, or that Brontosaurus is a real dinosaur.

Anwyay, it's not a new species of human, it's an entirely modern population of inbred pgymies suffering from microcephaly and other congenital defects.

It's quite telling that the Indonesian anthropologists who dealt with the discovery and conducted the first analysis have already rejected any notion of it being a missing link or new human species. It's only the Western scientists involved, eager to be the discoverers or identifiers of a new species of human and hence the mythical 'missing link' that continue to make a song and dance about the wrist bones in order to convince themselves they really have made one the greatest discoveries of all time.

It's a rather sad exercise in self delusion really.

[Von Milash]

This debate has been ongoing for a couple of years.

When it was announced to the world a few years ago it made national news and Richard Dawkins went on Richard and Judy to proclaim how it finally proved evolution beyond doubt and that it put the final nail in the coffin for the God believers.

Unfortunately for him at least half of those evolutionary scientists who have actually worked on the 'Florensis' skeltal matter are entirely unconvinced that it is anything other than a diseased population of modern pgymy humans.

If the media ever actually reported on evolutionary mistakes then it would turn out to be highly embarrassing for them but sadly the news are only interested in the sensational claims of shocking evolutionary discoveries, which make the headlines all over the world. When they are invariably dumped a few years later it makes no news at all so in the minds of the public they are still genuine fossils, just like the average person thinks Neanderthals are a missing link, or that Brontosaurus is a real dinosaur.

Anwyay, it's not a new species of human, it's an entirely modern population of inbred pgymies suffering from microcephaly and other congenital defects.

It's quite telling that the Indonesian anthropologists who dealt with the discovery and conducted the first analysis have already rejected any notion of it being a missing link or new human species. It's only the Western scientists involved, eager to be the discoverers or identifiers of a new species of human and hence the mythical 'missing link' that continue to make a song and dance about the wrist bones in order to convince themselves they really have made one the greatest discoveries of all time.

It's a rather sad exercise in self delusion really.

Even if evolution did occur, that's not to say that God doesn't exist. Personally, I am open to believing that we did evolve from a more primative line. But I also think that if that WAS the case, then it was the hand of God that did it.

Thus, I could be described as an evolutionary theist. The truth is, I don't know, and don't have an opinion one way or the other. But they are not mutually exclusive points of view. Only short sighted assholes see it one way or another.

Science is hellbent on theories and laws. Well if that's the case, then they'd realize that the laws of entropy precludes the evolution of life from merely atoms that came together to form more complex structures, and eventually giving rise to life. It's a load of garbage, unless of course something bigger than our comprehension wanted it that way. Otherwise, NOTHING EVER BECOMES MORE ORDERED. IT BECOME INCREASINGLY RANDOM.

[CGM]

This debate has been ongoing for a couple of years.

When it was announced to the world a few years ago it made national news and Richard Dawkins went on Richard and Judy to proclaim how it finally proved evolution beyond doubt and that it put the final nail in the coffin for the God believers.

Unfortunately for him at least half of those evolutionary scientists who have actually worked on the 'Florensis' skeltal matter are entirely unconvinced that it is anything other than a diseased population of modern pgymy humans.

If the media ever actually reported on evolutionary mistakes then it would turn out to be highly embarrassing for them but sadly the news are only interested in the sensational claims of shocking evolutionary discoveries, which make the headlines all over the world. When they are invariably dumped a few years later it makes no news at all so in the minds of the public they are still genuine fossils, just like the average person thinks Neanderthals are a missing link, or that Brontosaurus is a real dinosaur.

Anwyay, it's not a new species of human, it's an entirely modern population of inbred pgymies suffering from microcephaly and other congenital defects.

It's quite telling that the Indonesian anthropologists who dealt with the discovery and conducted the first analysis have already rejected any notion of it being a missing link or new human species. It's only the Western scientists involved, eager to be the discoverers or identifiers of a new species of human and hence the mythical 'missing link' that continue to make a song and dance about the wrist bones in order to convince themselves they really have made one the greatest discoveries of all time.

It's a rather sad exercise in self delusion really.

Even if evolution did occur, that's not to say that God doesn't exist. Personally, I am open to believing that we did evolve from a more primative line. But I also think that if that WAS the case, then it was the hand of God that did it.

Thus, I could be described as an evolutionary theist. The truth is, I don't know, and don't have an opinion one way or the other. But they are not mutually exclusive points of view. Only short sighted assholes see it one way or another.

Science is hellbent on theories and laws. Well if that's the case, then they'd realize that the laws of entropy precludes the evolution of life from merely atoms that came together to form more complex structures, and eventually giving rise to life. It's a load of garbage, unless of course something bigger than our comprehension wanted it that way. Otherwise, NOTHING EVER BECOMES MORE ORDERED. IT BECOME INCREASINGLY RANDOM.

Not necessarily, IMHO. If we can assume that there are many more ways to reach a state of disorder than there are ways to reach a state of order, then the entropy that you refers to more or less says it is is much more likely you will reach a state of disorder. This might explain why the earth as a more or less self contained system was around for a very very very long time before anything lifelike as we know it took shape. But once you start down that road towards more advanced life forms, the ground rules start to change. Things are no longer quite so random, other forces besides just entropy are in play.

[Von Milash]

CGM, no disrespect, but you're talking so far out of your ass it's pathetic. In fact, you have very eloquently said absolutely nothing.

you can't randomly or spontaneously form DNA, or any other life bearing molecule.

[CGM]

CGM, no disrespect, but you're talking so far out of your ass it's pathetic. In fact, you have very eloquently said absolutely nothing.

you can't randomly or spontaneously form DNA, or any other life bearing molecule.

OK man, you have it your way. But if you think entropy rules out evolution you are pathetically misinformed, no disrespect.

[Andre]

This debate has been ongoing for a couple of years.

When it was announced to the world a few years ago it made national news and Richard Dawkins went on Richard and Judy to proclaim how it finally proved evolution beyond doubt and that it put the final nail in the coffin for the God believers.

Unfortunately for him at least half of those evolutionary scientists who have actually worked on the 'Florensis' skeltal matter are entirely unconvinced that it is anything other than a diseased population of modern pgymy humans.

If the media ever actually reported on evolutionary mistakes then it would turn out to be highly embarrassing for them but sadly the news are only interested in the sensational claims of shocking evolutionary discoveries, which make the headlines all over the world. When they are invariably dumped a few years later it makes no news at all so in the minds of the public they are still genuine fossils, just like the average person thinks Neanderthals are a missing link, or that Brontosaurus is a real dinosaur.

Anwyay, it's not a new species of human, it's an entirely modern population of inbred pgymies suffering from microcephaly and other congenital defects.

It's quite telling that the Indonesian anthropologists who dealt with the discovery and conducted the first analysis have already rejected any notion of it being a missing link or new human species. It's only the Western scientists involved, eager to be the discoverers or identifiers of a new species of human and hence the mythical 'missing link' that continue to make a song and dance about the wrist bones in order to convince themselves they really have made one the greatest discoveries of all time.

It's a rather sad exercise in self delusion really.

Even if evolution did occur, that's not to say that God doesn't exist. Personally, I am open to believing that we did evolve from a more primative line. But I also think that if that WAS the case, then it was the hand of God that did it.

Thus, I could be described as an evolutionary theist. The truth is, I don't know, and don't have an opinion one way or the other. But they are not mutually exclusive points of view. Only short sighted assholes see it one way or another.

Science is hellbent on theories and laws. Well if that's the case, then they'd realize that the laws of entropy precludes the evolution of life from merely atoms that came together to form more complex structures, and eventually giving rise to life. It's a load of garbage, unless of course something bigger than our comprehension wanted it that way. Otherwise, NOTHING EVER BECOMES MORE ORDERED. IT BECOME INCREASINGLY RANDOM.

"Eye me heartie ,I like the cut of ya jib."
"Ye be welcome to sit at our table any night,drink dark rum and banter about the universal laws of spirituality, pirates and other things that matter and anti matter".

[Andre]

This debate has been ongoing for a couple of years.

When it was announced to the world a few years ago it made national news and Richard Dawkins went on Richard and Judy to proclaim how it finally proved evolution beyond doubt and that it put the final nail in the coffin for the God believers.

Unfortunately for him at least half of those evolutionary scientists who have actually worked on the 'Florensis' skeltal matter are entirely unconvinced that it is anything other than a diseased population of modern pgymy humans.

If the media ever actually reported on evolutionary mistakes then it would turn out to be highly embarrassing for them but sadly the news are only interested in the sensational claims of shocking evolutionary discoveries, which make the headlines all over the world. When they are invariably dumped a few years later it makes no news at all so in the minds of the public they are still genuine fossils, just like the average person thinks Neanderthals are a missing link, or that Brontosaurus is a real dinosaur.

Anwyay, it's not a new species of human, it's an entirely modern population of inbred pgymies suffering from microcephaly and other congenital defects.

It's quite telling that the Indonesian anthropologists who dealt with the discovery and conducted the first analysis have already rejected any notion of it being a missing link or new human species. It's only the Western scientists involved, eager to be the discoverers or identifiers of a new species of human and hence the mythical 'missing link' that continue to make a song and dance about the wrist bones in order to convince themselves they really have made one the greatest discoveries of all time.

It's a rather sad exercise in self delusion really.

the Indonesians; you should have seen their faces 40 years ago when we showed them that you can actuallty swim in the ocean without being consumed by evil.

They were running around in panic and trying to stop them going in,hold onto the Aussies that showed them.
Their navy was trained by our navy and it was well known that none of their navy could swim a stroke. The whole lot of them were creeping around the ships at least 4 feet in from the sides for years and years .

Our boys used to say that if it came to war between us we could sit at home and relax and wait for the fire to burn itself out; In their case they would blow half of their own navy out of the water by the time they got to our northern shores,then we just go and clean up the remants.

[ICB]

An analysis of an 18,000-year-old fossil, described as the remains of a diminutive humanlike creature, proves that genuine cave-dwelling "hobbits" once flourished in southeast Asia, according to a US anthropologist who conducted X-ray studies of a skull.
Karen Baab, an anthropologist at Stony Brook University in Long Island, New York, said her evidence is the most compelling to date bolstering the existence of a tiny early human ancestor who stood no more than 3 feet 2 inches (1 metre) tall.
They're the closest cousins in the evolutionary tree of life resembling fictional hobbits of Lord of the Rings yore. She posits the creature represents a new species in humanity's chain of evolution and is not a group of modern humans who were merely small.




Skull study evidence of 'hobbit' species, claims US anthropologist | Science | guardian.co.uk

So they've been watching Big Brother ?