Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
I know we are told constantly what a pitiful division the heavyweight division is and how totally weak and ordinary it is.

But is it really as bad as people say?

Is Wladmir Klitshcko for example a worse champion than for example Kendall Holt, Steven Lueveno, Chad Dawson, Mikell Kessler, Tomasz Adamek, Nate Campbell etc?

What about Vitali Klitschko?

I actually think if these two were in any division other than the heavyweights people would rate them much higher, Wlad in particular would likely be on the p4p rankings for his continued dominance.

Then we have David Haye. Consider the fuss that was made about a no skills brawler like Michael Katsidis and how added to the lightweight divsion, is not Haye an exciting talent at heavyweight?

Then we have promising prospects like amatuer world champ Odlanier Solis, Alexander Povetkin and solid fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers etc.

Ok it's hardly stacked but I think the likes of both Klitschko's, Haye, Chagaev, Solis and Chambers would rise to the top of pretty much any weight class there were in.

All I'm saying is it's not nearly so bad as people claim.

Yes there is some awful dross in there, but there are 4 or 5 world class fighters in the division that certainly match up to the world champs in many of boxings lower divisions.

Your views?
The two I've highlighted are those who I think ARE better champs than Wlad, although there are others there who you could make an argument for.

Personally I don't think that it's that the Klitschkos themselves are shit, I think they are both incredibly talented, I think it's just that for the past five years roughly, there has not really been any credible challengers to them. Honestly, they've really fought some pretty ordinary and/or faded former contenders, and I think this stops them getting the credit they deserve.

However, there are starting to be some credible challengers & I think Haye & Arreola at least offer the HW division the chance to have some loud personalities back in it. Haye on his own has already generated a surge more interest by virtue of being the CW champ & his own brand of personality that I know you are so fond of Bilbo