Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
I know we are told constantly what a pitiful division the heavyweight division is and how totally weak and ordinary it is.

But is it really as bad as people say?

Is Wladmir Klitshcko for example a worse champion than for example Kendall Holt, Steven Lueveno, Chad Dawson, Mikell Kessler, Tomasz Adamek, Nate Campbell etc?

What about Vitali Klitschko?

I actually think if these two were in any division other than the heavyweights people would rate them much higher, Wlad in particular would likely be on the p4p rankings for his continued dominance.

Then we have David Haye. Consider the fuss that was made about a no skills brawler like Michael Katsidis and how added to the lightweight divsion, is not Haye an exciting talent at heavyweight?

Then we have promising prospects like amatuer world champ Odlanier Solis, Alexander Povetkin and solid fighters like Ruslan Chagaev, Eddie Chambers etc.

Ok it's hardly stacked but I think the likes of both Klitschko's, Haye, Chagaev, Solis and Chambers would rise to the top of pretty much any weight class there were in.

All I'm saying is it's not nearly so bad as people claim.

Yes there is some awful dross in there, but there are 4 or 5 world class fighters in the division that certainly match up to the world champs in many of boxings lower divisions.

Your views?
I really don't believe that. I don't think Wladimir Klitschko, a one dimensional fighter with only the outsitde game to work with would rise to the top of ever division he was in. Chagaev? Chagaev is nothing special at all really he is not half the P4P talent that half th eother guys who are top 5 in their division are.

Seriously, the heavyweight division is the ONLY division where I can watch of yesteryear and pretty much assure myself, yeah, these guys would kick the guys of today's ass. Could anyone say with any sort of definity that the 1985 super bowl shuffle Bears would kick the 2007 Giants ass? No, because the speed and athleticism has increased.

WTF is Wlad good for on the inside? I took notes on the Rahman fight he was holding ever time on the inside until the very end where he was actually setting up punches on the inside. He would not be able to fuck with half the heavyweight champions of years past imo, that's no faul,t ot Wlad he is the best heavyweight of today, undisputed. But other then that, yeah the heavyweights of today are just as bad. Is there any sort of Lamont Peterson, Ty Barnett, Victor Ortiz for the heavyweights? Hell no. Do we want to compare the overall skill levels of Wlad vs Nate Campbell? No we don't.