Greatest British boxer of all time?

[ICB]

Not in any order my top 10.

Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
Jimmy Wilde
Freddy Welsh
Jim Driscoll
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ted Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Jack Berg

Guys like John Conteh, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Lloyd Honeyghan, Naseem Hamed, deserve a mention aswell.

No Hatton(I have read it about 10 times to make sure)

No Hatton what ? you honestly think Ricky Hatton is in some of those great British legends leagues ? you need to learn up about some of those fighters. You will be very impressed, some people are forgetting there history here, Ricky Hatton is a good fighter with a few good wins under his belt. But he needs to get a few big wins before i even mention him amongst those legends.

[porkypara]

Not in any order my top 10.

Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
Jimmy Wilde
Freddy Welsh
Jim Driscoll
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ted Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Jack Berg

Guys like John Conteh, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Lloyd Honeyghan, Naseem Hamed, deserve a mention aswell.

No Hatton(I have read it about 10 times to make sure)

No Hatton what ? you honestly think Ricky Hatton is in some of those great British legends leagues ? you need to learn up about some of those fighters. You will be very impressed, some people are forgetting there history here, Ricky Hatton is a good fighter with a few good wins under his belt. But he needs to get a few big wins before i even mention him amongst those legends.

Of your main top 10 list Hatton was at least as good as Buchanan and has done more than Turpin even though his carrer is not over yet.Also its hard to judge the older boxers against todays fighters.


As for Conteh,Benn and Eubank give me a brake.

They were all well loved exciting British boxers but were never in the p4p top ten or even that close.
Eubank admited at the time there were boxers around that he would not fight because they were to good for him.


I think you must have missed Hatton out just to try and be controvercial and a bit different.

[ICB]

No Hatton(I have read it about 10 times to make sure)

No Hatton what ? you honestly think Ricky Hatton is in some of those great British legends leagues ? you need to learn up about some of those fighters. You will be very impressed, some people are forgetting there history here, Ricky Hatton is a good fighter with a few good wins under his belt. But he needs to get a few big wins before i even mention him amongst those legends.

Of your main top 10 list Hatton was at least as good as Buchanan and has done more than Turpin even though his carrer is not over yet.Also its hard to judge the older boxers against todays fighters.


As for Conteh,Benn and Eubank give me a brake.

They were all well loved exciting British boxers but were never in the p4p top ten or even that close.
Eubank admited at the time there were boxers around that he would not fight because they were to good for him.


I think you must have missed Hatton out just to try and be controvercial and a bit different.

Uhh mate so your going off because i didn't mention Ricky Hatton in the honourable list ? those were the fighters that come to mind first, im not going to list every single very good/great british fighter in the honourable list am i ? he does deserve a mention but he still doesn't make the top 10 no way happy enough now ?

[porkypara]

No Hatton what ? you honestly think Ricky Hatton is in some of those great British legends leagues ? you need to learn up about some of those fighters. You will be very impressed, some people are forgetting there history here, Ricky Hatton is a good fighter with a few good wins under his belt. But he needs to get a few big wins before i even mention him amongst those legends.

Of your main top 10 list Hatton was at least as good as Buchanan and has done more than Turpin even though his carrer is not over yet.Also its hard to judge the older boxers against todays fighters.


As for Conteh,Benn and Eubank give me a brake.

They were all well loved exciting British boxers but were never in the p4p top ten or even that close.
Eubank admited at the time there were boxers around that he would not fight because they were to good for him.


I think you must have missed Hatton out just to try and be controvercial and a bit different.

Uhh mate so your going off because i didn't mention Ricky Hatton in the honourable list ? those were the fighters that come to mind first, im not going to list every single very good/great british fighter in the honourable list am i ? he does deserve a mention but he still doesn't make the top 10 no way happy enough now ?

Dont be so sensitive fella.

Ok then because of your great and super boxing brain tell me how Buchanan is a greater fighter than hatton.

[ICB]

Of your main top 10 list Hatton was at least as good as Buchanan and has done more than Turpin even though his carrer is not over yet.Also its hard to judge the older boxers against todays fighters.


As for Conteh,Benn and Eubank give me a brake.

They were all well loved exciting British boxers but were never in the p4p top ten or even that close.
Eubank admited at the time there were boxers around that he would not fight because they were to good for him.


I think you must have missed Hatton out just to try and be controvercial and a bit different.

Uhh mate so your going off because i didn't mention Ricky Hatton in the honourable list ? those were the fighters that come to mind first, im not going to list every single very good/great british fighter in the honourable list am i ? he does deserve a mention but he still doesn't make the top 10 no way happy enough now ?

Dont be so sensitive fella.

Ok then because of your great and super boxing brain tell me how Buchanan is a greater fighter than hatton.

Im not being sensitive at all your the one being sensitive. You had a pop at me in your first post about Ricky Hatton not being there, then i replied back in a respectful way and my last comment was a joke comment which is why i winked at the end of my post, to let you know that my last comment was a joke.

Now you have to have a dig at me and take it too the next level ? too be honest i don't want a debate with you after a comment like that. I have never claimed to know more than anyone on here, nor do i make out im a boxing historian. But i do read up alot of boxing and i do boxing myself, so i would like to think i do know quite a bit about boxing. But nowhere near as much as some guys/girls on here.

Infact the only thing i've done wrong here was give my opinion which obviously riled you up, because you rolled your eyes on my first post then had a dig at me in your 2nd post. If you don't like my opinions, don't reply to me or don't make such subjective threads because everyone has a different opinion.

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Jimmy Wilde for me, he had such great longevity and fought so many guys much bigger than himself .... kayoed most of them as well.

If we want to go right back, there was people like Tom Cribb and Jem Mace, but they were prizefighters and not boxers.

I'd have Calzaghe up there - a long career showing he was no flash in the pan and stayed at the top throughout, great chin, professionalism, good skills, OK poncher. Lennox would be there too, but I can't help thinking that he REALLY learned to box in Canada. Loved Nigel Benn, rated Conteh as probably our best talent but he wasted much of it.

I would have to say that I would rate Buchanan higher than Hatton - better skills, less susceptible to cuts, all round technician and tough as nails too, possibly better punch resistance than Ricky (who's all action style will lead to a shorter career a la Smokin Joe)

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Uhh mate so your going off because i didn't mention Ricky Hatton in the honourable list ? those were the fighters that come to mind first, im not going to list every single very good/great british fighter in the honourable list am i ? he does deserve a mention but he still doesn't make the top 10 no way happy enough now ?

Dont be so sensitive fella.

Ok then because of your great and super boxing brain tell me how Buchanan is a greater fighter than hatton.

Im not being sensitive at all your the one being sensitive. You had a pop at me in your first post about Ricky Hatton not being there, then i replied back in a respectful way and my last comment was a joke comment which is why i winked at the end of my post, to let you know that my last comment was a joke.

Now you have to have a dig at me and take it too the next level ? too be honest i don't want a debate with you after a comment like that. I have never claimed to know more than anyone on here, nor do i make out im a boxing historian. But i do read up alot of boxing and i do boxing myself, so i would like to think i do know quite a bit about boxing. But nowhere near as much as some guys/girls on here.

Infact the only thing i've done wrong here was give my opinion which obviously riled you up, because you rolled your eyes on my first post then had a dig at me in your 2nd post. If you don't like my opinions, don't reply to me or don't make such subjective threads because everyone has a different opinion.

Can u answer his question tho? I mean Buchanan was a good fighter but i cannot see how he could be rated as a much better fighter than Hatton? You said Ricky doesnt deserve to be mentioned with these 'legends' but i believe his record is already better than Buchanans or at the least just as good.

I think u are falling into the trap of rating older fighters higher just cos they are older. Freddy Welsh had a pretty good record but a lot of losses, and he fought around WWI, how do u know how good he was?

[porkypara]

Uhh mate so your going off because i didn't mention Ricky Hatton in the honourable list ? those were the fighters that come to mind first, im not going to list every single very good/great british fighter in the honourable list am i ? he does deserve a mention but he still doesn't make the top 10 no way happy enough now ?

Dont be so sensitive fella.

Ok then because of your great and super boxing brain tell me how Buchanan is a greater fighter than hatton.

Im not being sensitive at all your the one being sensitive. You had a pop at me in your first post about Ricky Hatton not being there, then i replied back in a respectful way and my last comment was a joke comment which is why i winked at the end of my post, to let you know that my last comment was a joke.

Now you have to have a dig at me and take it too the next level ? too be honest i don't want a debate with you after a comment like that. I have never claimed to know more than anyone on here, nor do i make out im a boxing historian. But i do read up alot of boxing and i do boxing myself, so i would like to think i do know quite a bit about boxing. But nowhere near as much as some guys/girls on here.

Infact the only thing i've done wrong here was give my opinion which obviously riled you up, because you rolled your eyes on my first post then had a dig at me in your 2nd post. If you don't like my opinions, don't reply to me or don't make such subjective threads because everyone has a different opinion.

I was just supprised because you left out Hatton.

He is one of our greatest boxers and that is my opiion which is one shared by a lot of other peolpe.

As my school teacher used to tell me,if you cant take it,dont give it.

[ICB]

Dont be so sensitive fella.

Ok then because of your great and super boxing brain tell me how Buchanan is a greater fighter than hatton.

Im not being sensitive at all your the one being sensitive. You had a pop at me in your first post about Ricky Hatton not being there, then i replied back in a respectful way and my last comment was a joke comment which is why i winked at the end of my post, to let you know that my last comment was a joke.

Now you have to have a dig at me and take it too the next level ? too be honest i don't want a debate with you after a comment like that. I have never claimed to know more than anyone on here, nor do i make out im a boxing historian. But i do read up alot of boxing and i do boxing myself, so i would like to think i do know quite a bit about boxing. But nowhere near as much as some guys/girls on here.

Infact the only thing i've done wrong here was give my opinion which obviously riled you up, because you rolled your eyes on my first post then had a dig at me in your 2nd post. If you don't like my opinions, don't reply to me or don't make such subjective threads because everyone has a different opinion.

I was just supprised because you left out Hatton.

He is one of our greatest boxers and that is my opiion which is one shared by a lot of other peolpe.

As my school teacher used to tell me,if you cant take it,dont give it.

Well thats your opinion just like its my opinion, no reason to have a pop at me just because i have a different opinion. Lastly your the one that gave it out, i just defended myself thats it. But i couldn't really careless it was a stupid argument to begin with, so lets just leave it at that.

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Not in any order my top 10.

Lennox Lewis
Joe Calzaghe
Jimmy Wilde
Freddy Welsh
Jim Driscoll
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ted Lewis
Ken Buchanan
Randy Turpin
Jack Berg

Guys like John Conteh, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Lloyd Honeyghan, Naseem Hamed, deserve a mention aswell.

No Hatton(I have read it about 10 times to make sure)

No Hatton what ? you honestly think Ricky Hatton is in some of those great British legends leagues ? you need to learn up about some of those fighters. You will be very impressed, some people are forgetting there history here, Ricky Hatton is a good fighter with a few good wins under his belt. But he needs to get a few big wins before i even mention him amongst those legends.

Castillo,Kostya Tyszu.....

[smashup]

Theres a few ways to interpret this question so for me it has to be Calzaghe at the top really...Just look at how long he's dominated and he just gets better and better and shut EVERY prick up whoever doubted him and the "who he's beat brigade" finally have to bow down and admit the facts or they simply show themselves to be narrow minded fools..... he gets stick from US fans purely because he wipes the floor with the best they can offer time and time again, in his twighlight years and better still in their back yards!
THE best fighter of my era and his record is untouched by anyone in decades. FACT (deal with it)

Lennox would be my second just for doing it in the US time and time again and avenging anyone who beat him and was the last true Heavyweight to dominate ... The way he destroyed Tyson was a great moment in my life!

Nigel Benn simply because he had balls like King Kong and was easily the most exciting fighter to watch to have ever come out of the UK.
Yeah he lost a few but f*ck me could he tear it up when he was hurt.
And i will never ever forget that Mclleland fight for being the most brutal i have ever seen.
How Nigel survived that and came back to smash G-Man to bits just shows what he was all about.
He had the will and heart of a Lion that man.

Randy Turpin gets props for beating the greatest ever fighter to have lived bar NONE (true fans will know who) and No it aint Ali..he did get another shot in 1966 but unfortunately with a gun pointed at his own head!

Don Cockell just for his name also gets props

Henry Cooper also SHOULD have beaten Clay that night but was blatantly cheated out of it by Ali's bare knuckle glove that tore his face apart.
How different the Fight game history would have been eh...?

For me Hatton needs to beat Pac then he leaps up to Lewis status but he's not far behind.
Just my opinion.

[rjj tszyu]

Theres a few ways to interpret this question so for me it has to be Calzaghe at the top really...Just look at how long he's dominated and he just gets better and better and shut EVERY prick up whoever doubted him and the "who he's beat brigade" finally have to bow down and admit the facts or they simply show themselves to be narrow minded fools..... he gets stick from US fans purely because he wipes the floor with the best they can offer time and time again, in his twighlight years and better still in their back yards!
THE best fighter of my era and his record is untouched by anyone in decades. FACT (deal with it)

Lennox would be my second just for doing it in the US time and time again and avenging anyone who beat him and was the last true Heavyweight to dominate ... The way he destroyed Tyson was a great moment in my life!

Nigel Benn simply because he had balls like King Kong and was easily the most exciting fighter to watch to have ever come out of the UK.
Yeah he lost a few but f*ck me could he tear it up when he was hurt.
And i will never ever forget that Mclleland fight for being the most brutal i have ever seen.
How Nigel survived that and came back to smash G-Man to bits just shows what he was all about.
He had the will and heart of a Lion that man.

Randy Turpin gets props for beating the greatest ever fighter to have lived bar NONE (true fans will know who) and No it aint Ali..he did get another shot in 1966 but unfortunately with a gun pointed at his own head!

Don Cockell just for his name also gets props

Henry Cooper also SHOULD have beaten Clay that night but was blatantly cheated out of it by Ali's bare knuckle glove that tore his face apart.
How different the Fight game history would have been eh...?

For me Hatton needs to beat Pac then he leaps up to Lewis status but he's not far behind.
Just my opinion.

Fair points with Calzaghe but he didn't beat americas best until they were ancient. Turpin beat a prime Robinson and Lewis was doing it in America against the best they had to offer throughout his career.

[HattonTheHammer]

1- Calzaghe
2- Lewis
3- Hatton
4- Cooper
5- Eubank

[KananKrus]

For me, the greatest British boxer of all time is Robert James "bob" Fitzsimmons.

He was the first three-division champion in the history of boxing. I think he is the only one that I know of, that won the world heavyweight crown, before winning the world light-heavyweight version. He also won the world middleweight earlier on, to make him king of all the three heavier weight divisions in boxing.

He is burried here in our state of Illinois, in Graceland Cemetery, located in about Chicago with another legendary boxing great, Jack Johnson.

[Kev]

For me, the greatest British boxer of all time is Robert James "bob" Fitzsimmons.

He was the first three-division champion in the history of boxing. I think he is the only one that I know of, that won the world heavyweight crown, before winning the world light-heavyweight version. He also won the world middleweight earlier on, to make him king of all the three heavier weight divisions in boxing.

He is burried here in our state of Illinois, in Graceland Cemetery, located in about Chicago with another legendary boxing great, Jack Johnson.

Yeah but but he fought in an era where they didn't fight blacks. When he eventually got in with Jack Johnson he got battered in a couple rounds.


Besides the sport was in its infancy then and the strength in depth simply wasn't there.

Nowadays there are hundreds of excellent professional fighters all with years of training following extremely disciplined, regimented training programmes and lifestyles.

It's like the early days of MMA when Royce Gracie was beating guys outweighing him by 100 lbs or more.

Yes he was great, but it only happened because these big lumps had no skill whatsoever when it came to submissions and ju jitsu etc.

As soon as they started to learn the basics Royce quite the UFC and of course was never so successful again.

Nowadays nobody could repeat his feats because technique has increased across the board.

It wasn't that Royce was so good but rather that he was good when everyone else sucked.

Pretty much the same with Fitzsimmsons.

Would he have won titles in 3 weight divisions in the modern era where black athletes (who barely fought in his day) predominate?

Let's be real, hell no.