Hopkins says he will retire if he can't get rematch with Calzaghe

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The problem is that neither of those two fighters have proven anything following their defeats to Calzaghe, thus diminishing the victories. I think a few years from now the Kessler victory will look very impressive though.

Oh no, I agree mate, but say Calzaghe beat Dawson, how long would it take for him to beat a top guy after that?

Joe would still be in question till Dawson did something special

I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is. The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!)

That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy

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Exactly, what other world champ can say theyve fought and totaly outclassed 2 undefeated young champs in the past few years?

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Oh no, I agree mate, but say Calzaghe beat Dawson, how long would it take for him to beat a top guy after that?

Joe would still be in question till Dawson did something special

I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is. The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!)

That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy

Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.

Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.

Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.

I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.

But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine. Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.

And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.

few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.

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I agree that might happen & there is always going to be a new young guy for a top fighter. The problem is he still doesn't have ENOUGH quality names on his record, and I think you can only argue that one of those fighters was a top-tier, prime fighter & that's Kessler. Eubank, Hopkins & Jones Jr were all some way past their peak, whilst Lacy & Reid were just frankly not on the same level as Joe. Anyone who's knows a bit about boxing can tell just how good Dawson is. The fact is if he won that fight than I think it would kill off a lot of the doubts that remain about him. It would at least add another top name to gloss over fighting the likes of Tocker Pudwill, Jimenez & Mario Veit (TWICE!)

That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy

Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.

Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.

Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.

I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.

But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine. Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.

And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.

few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.

Do you copy and paste this stuff or constantly repeat type it?

Why are you telling me about Mundine getting sparked by the ultimate powderpuff Ottke? It's one of my all time favourite KO's. Do you think i didn't know about it? Over the years ive posted the picture a million times.

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That's exactly what many people said before he beat Lacy... and then before Kessler... and then before Hopkins... and then even before old Roy

Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.

Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.

Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.

I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.

But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine. Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.

And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.

few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.

Do you copy and paste this stuff or constantly repeat type it?

Why are you telling me about Mundine getting sparked by the ultimate powderpuff Ottke? It's one of my all time favourite KO's. Do you think i didn't know about it? Over the years ive posted the picture a million times.

Fenster i could say the same about you, most of your comments about Joe Calzaghe are mostly the same comments you always make. I was just debating back because we always mostly debate on Joe Calzaghe. And secondly no i wasn't telling you about Anthony Mundine getting KO'ed by Sven Ottke, like you didn't know about it.

I was just bringing up a point but i don't really get your point, because most people who debate with you on a Joe Calzaghe thread inform you about stuff you've debated about 1000000s of times.

And known about for years, and on mostly every thread people debate on here. They debate about or are informed about stuff they've known about for years, so like i said i don't really get your point.

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Who said that about and old RJJ ? alot of people were calling that fight a farce including myself. People were "hoping" RJJ would win. But many people knew RJJ was a shot fighter and that it was a pointless fight, considering RJJ hadn't had a good performance at Light Heavyweight since 2002.

Don't even get me started on Jeff Lacy, the same Jeff Lacy who went life and death with Omar Sheika, and a desperate struggle against Syd Vanderpool. All before the Joe Calzaghe fight, the only reason Jeff Lacy got hype was because he beat an old shot Robin Reid.

Who gave Joe Calzaghe a tough fight, so boxing fans thought if he beat Robin Reid easily he surely will beat Joe Calzaghe, i certainly did not though. Also because he was American and the American's hadn't had a good Super Middleweight in quite sometime, hence where all the hype come from.

I only give Joe Calzaghe credit for his wins against Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, in recent years. Because Mikkel Kessler was a good fighter, and it was a fight between the 2 best Super Middleweights in the world. And Mikkel Kessler had some good world championship experience aswell as good technical skills.

But you could even argue Mikkel Kessler was overhyped, because his best win was arguably against Anthony Mundine. Who was one of Sven Ottke's 1 punch KO victims who basically couldn't KO Mini-Me on Big Brother. I don't think that way but you could easily make that argument.

And Bernard Hopkins is a very good fighter at 43, so Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit. But you cannot be in your prime at 43, and i don't think Joe Calzaghe won the fight anyway. And had it been against the Bernard Hopkins of the late 90s, i think Bernard Hopkins would of won.

few last comments Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter, one of the best British fighters for years. But i just don't get that special feeling when i watch Joe Calzaghe, like i do when i watch Pernell Whitaker, Sugar Ray Robinson, Roberto Duran, Ricardo Lopez, ETC.

Do you copy and paste this stuff or constantly repeat type it?

Why are you telling me about Mundine getting sparked by the ultimate powderpuff Ottke? It's one of my all time favourite KO's. Do you think i didn't know about it? Over the years ive posted the picture a million times.

Fenster i could say the same about you, most of your comments about Joe Calzaghe are mostly the same comments you always make. I was just debating back because we always mostly debate on Joe Calzaghe. And secondly no i wasn't telling you about Anthony Mundine getting KO'ed by Sven Ottke, like you didn't know about it.

I was just bringing up a point but i don't really get your point, because most people who debate with you on a Joe Calzaghe thread inform you about stuff you've debated about 1000000s of times.

And known about for years, and on mostly every thread people debate on here. They debate about or are informed about stuff they've known about for years, so like i said i don't really get your point.

Oh right. You worded it like you was telling me something i didn't know. Thats all.

I wouldn't back Ottke to KO mini-me either.