How weak is the heavyweight division really?

[CGM]

I don't think its weak at all, I think its stronger than the division Marciano and Larry Holmes plowed through, I don't think guys like Samuel Peter, Povetchkin, Ibragimov, Brock, Witherspoon, Chambers, etc, etc would do that poorly in the 80's. Even in the 90's they would be third tier guys who would be a step up before the real step ups like Mercer. I see Wlad at his best in the second tier or the top tier on a really good night, and Vitalit would be one of the best fighters in any heavyweight era, so big, athletic, powerful, etc. I think he gives anyone a ton of trouble.

Marciano's wasn't the best, but I think you underestime the Holmes era. IMO there was a lot of good exciting fights during Holmes reign. Holmes really had to work for a lot of his victories.

As for modern day, when was the last time you saw an exciting heavyweight battle? Lewis-Klitschko? As far as I can recall, there really hasn't been anyone to challenge the Klitschkos, though I guess Wlad - Brewster I wasn't bad. I suppose Ibragimov wasn't too bad, but he was hardly a challenge for Wlad. We'll see what Haye brings I guess.

[Trainer Monkey]

I don't think its weak at all, I think its stronger than the division Marciano and Larry Holmes plowed through, I don't think guys like Samuel Peter, Povetchkin, Ibragimov, Brock, Witherspoon, Chambers, etc, etc would do that poorly in the 80's. Even in the 90's they would be third tier guys who would be a step up before the real step ups like Mercer. I see Wlad at his best in the second tier or the top tier on a really good night, and Vitalit would be one of the best fighters in any heavyweight era, so big, athletic, powerful, etc. I think he gives anyone a ton of trouble.

Marciano's wasn't the best, but I think you underestime the Holmes era. IMO there was a lot of good exciting fights during Holmes reign. Holmes really had to work for a lot of his victories.

As for modern day, when was the last time you saw an exciting heavyweight battle? Lewis-Klitschko? As far as I can recall, there really hasn't been anyone to challenge the Klitschkos, though I guess Wlad - Brewster I wasn't bad. I suppose Ibragimov wasn't too bad, but he was hardly a challenge for Wlad. We'll see what Haye brings I guess.

True point,all through Holmes spent his entire career,with the next big thing waiting aroung the corner. There was allways a next big prospect that was going to dethrone him