So long, Dubya

[Kirkland Laing]

Have fun buddy but come January 20th YOU own all the problems and you are going to catch shit for it. Try and enjoy the next few years as I and many others will be waiting for the first little slip like for example a guy nominated to a cabinet position who hasn't paid taxes in a while

Yes, Obama owns them but didn't create them.

[Von Milash]

I'm not so sure Lyle likes this thread.

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No, unfortunately I have yet to remember a time when Lyle has been persuaded he was initially wrong about anything.

That takes away the point of debate really - once you end up arguing with someone who just wants to prove they are right, or who'se ultimate aim is to turn you to their point of view, then it's not really a debate.

Lots of people - and I'm not particularly having a pop at Lyle here - find it too hard to listen at the same time they are talking. Ol Dubya fits that bill perfectly.

Still, you can't help but find some of the true quotes that Dubya has made to be quite funny. Genuinely, anybody who come out with stuff like that has at best a 'confused' mind. Quality - we will miss having the idiot around, a bit like a drunken gurning uncle at your best friend's wedding.

[Trainer Monkey]

No, unfortunately I have yet to remember a time when Lyle has been persuaded he was initially wrong about anything.

That takes away the point of debate really - once you end up arguing with someone who just wants to prove they are right, or who'se ultimate aim is to turn you to their point of view, then it's not really a debate.

Lots of people - and I'm not particularly having a pop at Lyle here - find it too hard to listen at the same time they are talking. Ol Dubya fits that bill perfectly.

Still, you can't help but find some of the true quotes that Dubya has made to be quite funny. Genuinely, anybody who come out with stuff like that has at best a 'confused' mind. Quality - we will miss having the idiot around, a bit like a drunken gurning uncle at your best friend's wedding.

Considering his father cant speak English either,is it any surprise that he says stuff like that?

[Trainer Monkey]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

[Kirkland Laing]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

You only ever see numbers that high for a president after a national disaster, which tells you how Americans view the Bush administration.

[Andre]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

You only ever see numbers that high for a president after a national disaster, which tells you how Americans view the Bush administration.

Most of the world viewed him as a puppet for his dad and his old office mates more so when he took up his dads original fight against Iraq.

Old ways are about to die off in the world thank God ,but unfortunatley they will have their last shot at war and more unrest before they are all gone,that goes for both sides who are killing in the name of.

[OumaFan]

I watched ABC, you could tell the announcers were getting a bit sentimental when George was getting on the helicopter, trying to come up with nice things to say about him, I decided instead on the laughter and tears of joy route.

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George who? ..........

[Kirkland Laing]

Americans giving Obama extraordinary support: polls - Yahoo! News

You only ever see numbers that high for a president after a national disaster, which tells you how Americans view the Bush administration.

Most of the world viewed him as a puppet for his dad and his old office mates more so when he took up his dads original fight against Iraq.

Old ways are about to die off in the world thank God ,but unfortunatley they will have their last shot at war and more unrest before they are all gone,that goes for both sides who are killing in the name of.

Joschka Fischer, German foreign minister and vice-chancellor: We thought we were going back to the old days of Bush 41. And ironically enough Rumsfeld, but even more Cheney, together with Powell, were seen as indications that the young president, who was not used to the outside world, who didn’t travel very much, who didn’t seem to be very experienced, would be embedded into these Bush 41 guys. Their foreign-policy skills were extremely good and strongly admired. So we were not very concerned. Of course, there was this strange thing with these “neocons,” but every party has its fringes. It was not very alarming.
Lawrence Wilkerson, top aide and later chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell: We had this confluence of characters—and I use that term very carefully—that included people like Powell, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, and so forth, which allowed one perception to be “the dream team.” It allowed everybody to believe that this Sarah Palin–like president—because, let’s face it, that’s what he was—was going to be protected by this national-security elite, tested in the cauldrons of fire. What in effect happened was that a very astute, probably the most astute, bureaucratic entrepreneur I’ve ever run into in my life became the vice president of the United States.
He became vice president well before George Bush picked him. And he began to manipulate things from that point on, knowing that he was going to be able to convince this guy to pick him, knowing that he was then going to be able to wade into the vacuums that existed around George Bush—personality vacuum, character vacuum, details vacuum, experience vacuum.
Richard Clarke, chief White House counterterrorism adviser: We had a couple of meetings with the president, and there were detailed discussions and briefings on cyber-security and often terrorism, and on a classified program. With the cyber-security meeting, he seemed—I was disturbed because he seemed to be trying to impress us, the people who were briefing him. It was as though he wanted these experts, these White House staff guys who had been around for a long time before he got there—didn’t want them buying the rumor that he wasn’t too bright. He was trying—sort of overly trying—to show that he could ask good questions, and kind of yukking it up with Cheney.
The contrast with having briefed his father and Clinton and Gore was so marked. And to be told, frankly, early in the administration, by Condi Rice and [her deputy] Steve Hadley, you know, Don’t give the president a lot of long memos, he’s not a big reader—well, shit. I mean, the president of the United States is not a big reader?







An Oral History of the Bush White House: Politics & Power: vanityfair.com

[Boom Boom]

I though I would never say this being a big Bush critic, but I think im gonna miss W a little bit. He wasnt a great president, but he always did what he thought was right for this country. He was at least was firm in his beliefs. Also, everyone fails to mention that since Sept. 11, there hasnt been a terrorist attack in this country. He deserves credit for keeping the country safe in a post 9-11 world. That said, he did f@ck up a lot.

As for Obama, I want to like him but every time I hear him speak he sounds like an actor to me. He didnt even write his speech. If he was such an inspirational and great thinker, wouldnt he have written his own speech? I think he is a great public speaker and has a good image, but he hasnt had to be much else as of yet, well today he became the most powerful person in this country. I think, like a good amateur boxer going pro, there is a lot of hype but anything of substance has yet to be seen. Talk is cheap, but he is the president now, so I hope he amounts to a good one, not just a good campaigner.

[Trainer Monkey]

I though I would never say this being a big Bush critic, but I think im gonna miss W a little bit. He wasnt a great president, but he always did what he thought was right for this country. He was at least was firm in his beliefs. Also, everyone fails to mention that since Sept. 11, there hasnt been a terrorist attack in this country. He deserves credit for keeping the country safe in a post 9-11 world. That said, he did f@ck up a lot.

As for Obama, I want to like him but every time I hear him speak he sounds like an actor to me. He didnt even write his speech. If he was such an inspirational and great thinker, wouldnt he have written his own speech? I think he is a great public speaker and has a good image, but he hasnt had to be much else as of yet, well today he became the most powerful person in this country. I think, like a good amateur boxer going pro, there is a lot of hype but anything of substance has yet to be seen. Talk is cheap, but he is the president now, so I hope he amounts to a good one, not just a good campaigner.

Actually he did write most of it himself,and Bush cant even read the speeches handed to him,let alone write one

[Trainer Monkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xkw8ip43Vk

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I though I would never say this being a big Bush critic, but I think im gonna miss W a little bit. He wasnt a great president, but he always did what he thought was right for this country. He was at least was firm in his beliefs. Also, everyone fails to mention that since Sept. 11, there hasnt been a terrorist attack in this country. He deserves credit for keeping the country safe in a post 9-11 world. That said, he did f@ck up a lot.

Well, I'm not going to miss him. I won't be applying the soft gaze of revisionism on him and his regime.

Saying he always did what he thought was right isn't great praise if he was consistently wrong all the time, and being firm in his beliefs is a nicer way of saying that he was stubborn, misguided and not open to reason (a political fundamentalist, if you like)

Indeed, there has not been a publicised terrorist attack in the US since the Twin Towers, but at what cost to your world image and to your own freedoms and rights? Incidentally, don't forget that there had not been a terrorist attack in the US EVER before that idiot came into power.

Unfortunately, to me anyway -Bush will always be a semi-bordeline buffoon (the aggressive yet slightly retarded younger brother who everyone ignores at barbecues) who only got into power because he was backed by big corporate business, the oil US defence and industry and by stealing a second election.

Good riddance. The world is suddenly a safer place already.

I hope you guys are not kidding yourself that you voted in a black president because you are all suddenly an equal society...... Barack won the election simply by being not Bush or McCain.

I question whether the American people would have voted in a chimp just to get rid of those people.

[Kirkland Laing]

Also, everyone fails to mention that since Sept. 11, there hasnt been a terrorist attack in this country. He deserves credit for keeping the country safe in a post 9-11 world.