Haye would Steamroll Areolla

[Rantcatrat]

Alright.

People are forgetting the fact that Arreola was down in his last fight as well.

Legitimately down with no dispute about a slip or whatever.

Imo it doesnt matter how many times a fighter goes down it matters how many times he gets up and wins.

But Arreola is open for everything. and if it was haye who dropped him in the first round he may not have went to the second.

Of the two fighters Haye has the more chance of ourboxing Arreola. if haye isnt wild swinging and going for the knockout all 3 mins every round then he can cleanly outbox Arreola. I do think its a little unfair how people pick the one moment he Barret fight where he was wild against Arreola I don't think he'd be as wild, and I think he was so wild at those points with BArret because he wasnt worried about his power, against Arreola I think he would box a lot more and not be so wild. Haye CAN sorta box, and he does that a lot better then Arreola who is a slugger, if haye goes toe to toe with Arreola then yes he has a chance of gasing late and being stopped if he can't hurt him. But Haye can also outbox Arreola on his way to a decision, if Haye starts boxing Arreola and counterpunching him well there is little Arreola can do but land one bomb and have Haye ratted long enough to stop him. I don't know why everyone thinks that Haye's strategy against Arreola would be to slug.

The title of the main post was Haye will steamroll Arreola.

When you started with "alright" I thought you were going to give a clean unbiased point of view, but obviously that wasn't the case. You took a whole paragraph to say: Haye can outbox Arreola and win a decision. To be fair, that is a legitimate opinion that I can respect, but outboxing Arreola to a decision is far from steamrolling through him.

Yes, Arreola took a knee against Travis Walker and be fair to him, he showed a lot of composure in doing so. He went on to knocking him out. Travis Walker is a legit heavyweight who is young, fast, and strong and who had never been beat. In other words, he is a live opponent who Arreola beat. So was Chazz Witherspoon. Both of those heavyweights are faster (probably) than Arreola and both of those heavyweights could outbox Arreola. What did Arreola do to them? Stopped them in the third round.

I'm not positive Arreola would beat Haye because I haven't seen enough of Haye at heavyweight to really accurately measure his skill. Like the majority of the posters on this board, I can see Arreola's flaws crystal clear: he isn't in great shape and he tends to maul rather than box, but to be fair to him, so far it has worked well. Haye's main flaw is his chin and being a heavyweight without a chin is dangerous. There are heavyweights who manage quite well without a chin like Vlad, but he has size to compensate for it. I'm not saying Haye wouldn't beat Arreola, but saying he would steamroll through him is baseless antagonistic provocation because he has yet to be tested at heavyweight and cruiserweights were able to hurt him.

[Gandalf]

Haye hasn't proven he can hang with any top level heavyweight. The Barrett fight was a farce, and even that looked unconvincing.

What Haye should really do is have a couple of fights against top 10 ranked opponents to see if he can really hang with the big two. The fact that he is wanting to get to the top over the HW division without challenging some tough opponents first, makes me question him. There is little to suggest he can hang with the Klit brothers.

An opponent like Areolla would be a decent test for Haye, as would Sam Peter, or Thompson. or even (double ahem) James Toney.

[AdamGB]

Haye is fast. But he's careless. He's not hard to hit. And his power at Heavyweight is overrated. It took him what 5 rounds to put Barrett away? Cliff Couser did it in 2. Arreola crushes him in 2 or 3 rounds. The fight would mirror Arreola-Walker. Haye would start fast. Land some punches. Than he'll go sleep.

Arreola power + Haye chin = Haye flat on his back

haye clipped barret a few times and that was enough to send him down... the first clean shot that hit Barret completely fucked him... obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight but you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division

I'd love to see him box sam peter, I think that'd be the best yard stick for him.

[Rantcatrat]

The topic may be overdone, but this article puts forth a trajectory for Arreola's career that makes sense.

Arreola: On the Side of Caution?

I think the ideas the author has for Arreola's career would apply with for-the-most part, equally to Haye's.

[Violent Demise]

Haye is fast. But he's careless. He's not hard to hit. And his power at Heavyweight is overrated. It took him what 5 rounds to put Barrett away? Cliff Couser did it in 2. Arreola crushes him in 2 or 3 rounds. The fight would mirror Arreola-Walker. Haye would start fast. Land some punches. Than he'll go sleep.

Arreola power + Haye chin = Haye flat on his back

haye clipped barret a few times and that was enough to send him down... the first clean shot that hit Barret completely fucked him... obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight but you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division

I'd love to see him box sam peter, I think that'd be the best yard stick for him.

You sure impress easy don't you? It was Monte Barrett. Saying it out loud. Monte Barrett. 37 year old, never won a big fight in his life Monte Barrett. Cliff Couser knocked him out. Yes that Cliff Couser.

[phillies]

Messy street brawler at best is Arreola with a muscle to fat ratio of a pork scratching.
Wide open with it and just steams in like a windmill.
David would toy with this fat dickhead and pick him apart before levelling him out with a Hayemaker!!
What's all the fuss about him?
Just proves how sh*t the heavies have been in recent years if people are seriously thinking that he's anything special
He'll get found out in a few months then we'll see the real #1 contender have his chance to prove his worth!!
Arreola............. do me a favour...................Coca Cola would have more chance!

Haye will be KO'd inside 5 rounds!

[AdamGB]

Haye is fast. But he's careless. He's not hard to hit. And his power at Heavyweight is overrated. It took him what 5 rounds to put Barrett away? Cliff Couser did it in 2. Arreola crushes him in 2 or 3 rounds. The fight would mirror Arreola-Walker. Haye would start fast. Land some punches. Than he'll go sleep.

Arreola power + Haye chin = Haye flat on his back

haye clipped barret a few times and that was enough to send him down... the first clean shot that hit Barret completely fucked him... obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight but you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division

I'd love to see him box sam peter, I think that'd be the best yard stick for him.

You sure impress easy don't you? It was Monte Barrett. Saying it out loud. Monte Barrett. 37 year old, never won a big fight in his life Monte Barrett. Cliff Couser knocked him out. Yes that Cliff Couser.

That's not what I'm saying. You're making out as if Barrett was taking haye's best shots for 5 rounds before finally succumbing getting KO'd.

When did I say that Barrett had a massive chin or that Haye's power was extremely impressive at heavyweight. I actually said to the contrary "obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight"

You really are stupid aren't you. If you actually read people's posts properly you wouldn't come off as being so retarded.

[SaltyBacon]

naw Areolla steamsroll haye

[Violent Demise]

haye clipped barret a few times and that was enough to send him down... the first clean shot that hit Barret completely fucked him... obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight but you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division

I'd love to see him box sam peter, I think that'd be the best yard stick for him.

You sure impress easy don't you? It was Monte Barrett. Saying it out loud. Monte Barrett. 37 year old, never won a big fight in his life Monte Barrett. Cliff Couser knocked him out. Yes that Cliff Couser.

That's not what I'm saying. You're making out as if Barrett was taking haye's best shots for 5 rounds before finally succumbing getting KO'd.

When did I say that Barrett had a massive chin or that Haye's power was extremely impressive at heavyweight. I actually said to the contrary "obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight"

You really are stupid aren't you. If you actually read people's posts properly you wouldn't come off as being so retarded.

I did read (and laughed) at your moronic post. And this is what your dumb ass said

"you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division"

Based on what? Cuz he stopped almost everybody at Cruiserweight? Nah. Cruisers ain't Heavy's. Maybe cuz he stopped Monte Barrett? Not good enough. Barrett was the same size as him and 37 years old. Oh I know. Cuz he stopped Heavyweight Tomaz Bonin a couple years ago, right? LOL. No. Bonin was smaller than Haye. Not to mention he's crap. Facts are Haye hasn't stopped or faced an opponent bigger or stronger than him. So to say he has the power to hang with the division is (like you) stupid. Cuz it hasn't been proven.

[AdamGB]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

[rjj tszyu]

You sure impress easy don't you? It was Monte Barrett. Saying it out loud. Monte Barrett. 37 year old, never won a big fight in his life Monte Barrett. Cliff Couser knocked him out. Yes that Cliff Couser.

That's not what I'm saying. You're making out as if Barrett was taking haye's best shots for 5 rounds before finally succumbing getting KO'd.

When did I say that Barrett had a massive chin or that Haye's power was extremely impressive at heavyweight. I actually said to the contrary "obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight"

You really are stupid aren't you. If you actually read people's posts properly you wouldn't come off as being so retarded.

I did read (and laughed) at your moronic post. And this is what your dumb ass said

"you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division"

Based on what? Cuz he stopped almost everybody at Cruiserweight? Nah. Cruisers ain't Heavy's. Maybe cuz he stopped Monte Barrett? Not good enough. Barrett was the same size as him and 37 years old. Oh I know. Cuz he stopped Heavyweight Tomaz Bonin a couple years ago, right? LOL. No. Bonin was smaller than Haye. Not to mention he's crap. Facts are Haye hasn't stopped or faced an opponent bigger or stronger than him. So to say he has the power to hang with the division is (like you) stupid. Cuz it hasn't been proven.

I think he does have the power in the division. He certainly isn't too small. He's very close to Tyson and Foreman in weight who are the hardest punchers in history along with Earnie.

[kingfrnk]

both cant fight worth a crap to me. they just look for big punches. but haye cant take big punches for shit so Areolla roasts his ass.

[RozzySean]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Chris Byrd was a slick boxer with 10x the skill of Haye...and he got stopped several times. He didn't have much power at all. Both Mayweather and Byrd were successful fighting bigger men because they were fast and EXTREMELY skilled. Haye is just fast. He probably has more power than Byrd, but he doesn't have Mayweather's or Byrd's defense, he's not a southpaw like Byrd, and he doesn't have the counterpunching of Byrd or Mayweather. Typically, undersized fighters can't fight Haye's style and be effective fighting bigger men unless they are also very elusive and/or have a great chin (example...Tyson or Frazier). Haye is neither elusive or iron-jawed.

David Haye is a smallish, fast, aggressive HW with a suspect chin and unknown power at HW. It's foolish to predict that Haye would steamroll anybody except shot fighters, mediocre fighters or fighters who are both shot and never better than mediocre. Haye would struggle with Eddie Chambers. Seriously.

Arreola's stoppage wins over Walker, Witherspoon, and Couser (who KO'd Barrett, and Tann are more than Haye has done at HW.

If Arreola came into the fight in shape, like he did against Witherspoon, he would batter David Haye around the ring. Arreola can, if he chooses, box well, but he prefers to neglect roadwork, show up fat, and just pummel guys if doesn't see them as a threat - because he can. I'm convinced, based on the shape he got himself into for the Witherspoon fight, that when he gets a big fight, he will show up properly prepared.

[Violent Demise]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

[Violent Demise]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Chris Byrd was a slick boxer with 10x the skill of Haye...and he got stopped several times. He didn't have much power at all. Both Mayweather and Byrd were successful fighting bigger men because they were fast and EXTREMELY skilled. Haye is just fast. He probably has more power than Byrd, but he doesn't have Mayweather's or Byrd's defense, he's not a southpaw like Byrd, and he doesn't have the counterpunching of Byrd or Mayweather. Typically, undersized fighters can't fight Haye's style and be effective fighting bigger men unless they are also very elusive and/or have a great chin (example...Tyson or Frazier). Haye is neither elusive or iron-jawed.

David Haye is a smallish, fast, aggressive HW with a suspect chin and unknown power at HW. It's foolish to predict that Haye would steamroll anybody except shot fighters, mediocre fighters or fighters who are both shot and never better than mediocre. Haye would struggle with Eddie Chambers. Seriously.

Arreola's stoppage wins over Walker, Witherspoon, and Couser (who KO'd Barrett, and Tann are more than Haye has done at HW.

If Arreola came into the fight in shape, like he did against Witherspoon, he would batter David Haye around the ring. Arreola can, if he chooses, box well, but he prefers to neglect roadwork, show up fat, and just pummel guys if doesn't see them as a threat - because he can. I'm convinced, based on the shape he got himself into for the Witherspoon fight, that when he gets a big fight, he will show up properly prepared.

This is a man that knows his Boxing. Great post.