Kahn v Barrera???

[JT Rock]

Would you suggest that Khan is anywhere nearly as good as Manny though? Or remotely as good as JMM? Or that Barrera could be stopped in 1 by a complete nobody as Khan himself was?

On that note your pick is not entirely logical. No offence, JT, but Barrera beats Khan because Khan is simply not good enough.

Were talking about a fighter that is quick and fast and good power.. Barrera is way past his best at this point... If were talking about the Barrera of a few years ago, I give Kahn no chance... Khan has tremendous upside I mean Juarez is nothing special and fought to arguably a draw against Marco almost 3 years ago.

I just think its going to be a case of youth and athleticism lasting over age and deterioation

Barrera won the first fight by enough in my reckoning and then boxed his ass off in the rematch. The second fight was a fight won with a jab because he wanted to show it was all he needed! Khan certainly doesnt have the chin of Juarez. And beyond that you have a fight in which Barrera gave Marquez a serious run for his money and then gave a lame showing against the best fighter in the world. And suddenly Amir kahn is going to cause an upset?

You have your opinion, but I will go against it in this case. I think Barrera is stil too good for Khan.

Barrera is done and for the taking.. He is shopworn and cant compete at A level anymore... Unless he sparks Kahn out early, he will be repeatedly beat to the punch by a much faster strong young man with plenty of vigor..

Kahn has a great corner now and PFP#1 to work with and learn from, consequently the same guy who humiliated and handed Barrera his ass once and then snoozed his way to beating an uninterested and flat Marco a second time.. I love barrera and he is an alltime great, who has given us so much over the years.. But if there is one thing Roy Jones, Evander Holyfield, James Toney taught me is that when your done your done and no fighter can escape that not Casamayor, not Castillo, not Morales, not Tarver, Not Delahoya.. Mosely is about to find it out soon too

Hopkins is the extreme rare exception and thats because he isint shop worn

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Barrera is done and for the taking.. He is shopworn and cant compete at A level anymore... Unless he sparks Kahn out early, he will be repeatedly beat to the punch by a much faster strong young man with plenty of vigor..

You're suggesting Khan is A level?
Holy shat.

[ICB]

Barrera is done and for the taking.. He is shopworn and cant compete at A level anymore... Unless he sparks Kahn out early, he will be repeatedly beat to the punch by a much faster strong young man with plenty of vigor..

You're suggesting Khan is A level?
Holy shat.

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

[JT Rock]

Barrera is done and for the taking.. He is shopworn and cant compete at A level anymore... Unless he sparks Kahn out early, he will be repeatedly beat to the punch by a much faster strong young man with plenty of vigor..

You're suggesting Khan is A level?
Holy shat.

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

[Master]

The fact that Barrera had retired is a also a factor too. He will have let his body go by boxers standard and more importantly once a fighter thinks about retiring, emotionally he is beat by a young fresh faster and hungrier fighter.

[GAME]

To say Barrera is a c+ fighter you must be 1 of three things

1. Off your head
2. A hater
3. A wind up merchant

[JT Rock]

To say Barrera is a c+ fighter you must be 1 of three things

1. Off your head
2. A hater
3. A wind up merchant

I dont know to many A-B fightrs that arent ranked in the top 10 in their division

Show me were the Ring magazine ranks Barrera

[ICB]

You're suggesting Khan is A level?
Holy shat.

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

[skel1983]

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

Marquez v MAB was two years ago, Barrera has been very inactive recently and has already retired once, in his last fight looked very flabby but maybe he wasnt taking it that serious, i will leave judgement till the weigh in.

[JT Rock]

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

Marquez v MAB was two years ago, Barrera has been very inactive recently and has already retired once, in his last fight looked very flabby but maybe he wasnt taking it that serious, i will leave judgement till the weigh in.

Exactly

[ICB]

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

Marquez v MAB was two years ago, Barrera has been very inactive recently and has already retired once, in his last fight looked very flabby but maybe he wasnt taking it that serious, i will leave judgement till the weigh in.

My point is in MAB's last few fights he gave the two best P4P fighters in the world, good fights so i fail to see how he can be a "C+" fighter at this point in time. Yes he did look a bit flabby in his last fight, but that was the first time he has fought at that weight.

He's just getting the rounds in, which is why he's having another tune up fight before the Amir Khan fight. He's keeping busy getting the rounds in and also getting used to the weight which is what a true pro does.

[JT Rock]

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed atheleticism, but boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this time, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts him down and out with body shots.

Come off what? I aint coming off of nothing.. you have your opinion I dont care how many stats you continue to badger with..

Barrera= Old and not what he used to be

Kahn= Faster, younger, stronger more athletic

A few years ago I would say MAB beats the living crap out of him, now Marco is old... Get that thru your thick skull

Jones, Toney, Castillo, Morales, Delahoya, Tarver, Chavez, Whitaker, Leonard, Hearns etc... All have something in common, they got old lost a step or 2 and detoriated. So put that in your stat machine and see what pops out

Kahn will beat him to the punch consistently Barrera might have his moments early, unless MAB catches him early he's going to be outworked

[ICB]

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed atheleticism, but boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this time, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts him down and out with body shots.

Come off what? I aint coming off of nothing.. you have your opinion I dont care how many stats you continue to badger with..

Barrera= Old and not what he used to be

Kahn= Faster, younger, stronger more athletic

A few years ago I would say MAB beats the living crap out of him, now Marco is old... Get that thru your thick skull

Jones, Toney, Castillo, Morales, Delahoya, Tarver, Chavez, Whitaker, Leonard, Hearns etc... All have something in common, they got old lost a step or 2 and detoriated. So put that in your stat machine and see what pops out

Kahn will beat him to the punch consistently Barrera might have his moments early, unless MAB catches him early he's going to be outworked

I think your seriously underrating MAB and forgetting how he performed against the two best P4P fighters in the world. How has MAB changed since the JMM fight ?

He had a comeback recently sure he didn't look in the best of shape, but it was a comeback fight at a weight he hadn't fought at before and he done what he was suppoed to do and stop his man.

Secondly why do people keep saying im the stat man ? and what has stats got to do with this argument ? im just telling you MAB performed well against the two best fighters in the world, so how the hell can he be a C+ fighter ?

Lastly the fighters above you mentioned had showed signs of being totally shot before hand, like Pernell Whitaker was struggling against Wilfredo Rivera x2, Diosbelys Hurtado, ETC.

Thats totally different to MAB he hasn't showed any of those signs at all, he obviously isn't at his peak but he still showed he could compete with the top level, and i fail to see how you can come to the conclusion. That someone like Amir Khan. Who has struggled against D class fighters, and wasn't long ago brutally KO'ed in 1 round. Can beat someone of MAB's class.