Kahn v Barrera???

[ICB]

Im done with this conversation... Barrera is an OLD BOXER Fact, JMM is the same age and is the #2 fighter in the world, at 35 is still a world class operator and if he lost I doubt he would be taking warm up fights in chinese gyms against scrubs..

Barrera is not world class anymore, I could go in circles with you but for the sake of being redundant, Im satisfied that I have proved my point

Kahn is only 21 so he is still developing, he has all the raw talent .

What have you proved though ? all of your comments are assumptions not facts. I gave you facts while MAB is not past it, because from previous fights he certainly didn't look old or a C+ fighter as you put it.

Which i have no idea how you come to that conclusion considering his fights with JMM, Manny Pacquiao. What class does that make JMM, Manny Pacquiao, then ?

Even when MAB was in his prime after he lost he fought scrubs as warm up fights. I really don't know why your making such a big deal out of it, Mostly every boxer fights scrubs to get rounds in or get the rust off.

I don't see how that proves MAB is a shot fighter, and considering he has another tune up before the Amir Khan fight that proves my point.

You say Amir Khan is still learning but has he learned ? he supposedly had a new trainer to teach him defense. But he still dropped his hands after finishing a combination moving backwards.

Obviously you can teach defense but its more of a natural instinct, i know everytime i finished throwing a combination and move backwards. My natural instinct is too put my hands up straight away, Amir Khan doesn't seem to have that instinct and he may never learn.

He hasn't learnt all through the Amateurs or in the Pro's. Even with different trainers so i don't see what else can be done. He is very chinny and if he doesn't improve his defense talent or not, he will never move up. And i doubt he can dramatically improve his defense that quickly before the MAB fight.

You havent gave any facts ICE, you have just gave opinions..

MAB is not the same fighter he is old and cant do what he once could, he is at the twilight of his career... He gave a mediocre showing against JMM and did zip against Pac.. Looked nothing like the fighter that we all came to love in either of those fights..

He is fighting a bigger, stronger, faster younger fighter, who is hungry and is anxious to prove a point after being embarassed.

Its a natural progression that every fighter goes thru, whether you want to believe it or not.. Barrera's time has come and gone, now he will be a litmus test for a young upstart..

Also were do you see Barrera going after this, even if he wasnt going to fight Kahn or say he beats him what type fighter in the game today do you give him a chance to beat.. Your only an A-B fighter if your beating those type of guys... So who is Barrera going to defeat at the top?

Im seriously questioning if you've even seen JMM vs MAB, because by the sounds of it you haven't. You first produced the scorecards suggesting to me MAB wasn't competitive. When actually anyone who saw the fight knows it was razor thin close.

Now you have just said MAB put in a mediocre performance ? are you kidding me JT ? MAB fought a very good fight against JMM he landed more punches, marked up JMM's face up pretty badly.

He was also able to knockdown JMM and stay pretty even with JMM in the countering battle. MAB lost by 2 rounds at max and you could even make an argument he won the fight. So how the hell can it be a mediocre performance especially against the 2nd P4P fighter in the world ?

What are you saying ? seriously that doesn't even make sense. Because going by that logic JMM is just above mediocre, if he struggled badly against a MAB who put in a average performance according to you.

Against Manny Pacquiao it was pretty close as i said before, until after the 9th round. But MAB fought a smart fight he just wasn't active enough, but he did make the P4P number 1 fighter look bad so i would hardly say it was a bad performance.

Lastly i have gave you facts the facts are right there in those 2 fights, in none of those fights did he look like a C+ class fighter. Your assumptions that MAB will look like a C+ class fighter is just that an assumption, nothing more nothing less you cannot give me any facts to prove so.

Because in none of his previous fights has he looked anywhere close to a C+ class fighter. Im not making out those were his finest performances but jesus JT, he was fighting the two best P4P fighters in the world, i think he gave good account of himself in the Manny Pacquiao fight, and a superb account of himself in the JMM fight.

Amir Khan hasn't even been in with a B+ class fighter yet, and he was recently KO'ed by a nobody. And he has struggled against fighters even lower than C+ class.

Lastly who do i see MAB beating at Lightweight ? assuming he is ok at that weight ? Michael Katsidis, Juan Diaz, David Diaz, Julio Diaz, Edwin Valero, ETC. And i'd give him a decent chance against Nate Campbell, Joel Casamayor, ETC. Even if he didn't beat all the top fighters at Lightweight, he would be very competitive with every single one of them, if as i said he is fine at the weight.