Kahn v Barrera???

[GAME]

To say Barrera is a c+ fighter you must be 1 of three things

1. Off your head
2. A hater
3. A wind up merchant

[ICB]

You're suggesting Khan is A level?
Holy shat.

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

[skel1983]

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

Marquez v MAB was two years ago, Barrera has been very inactive recently and has already retired once, in his last fight looked very flabby but maybe he wasnt taking it that serious, i will leave judgement till the weigh in.

[JT Rock]

This is the same Amir Khan that was doubled over from one body shot, from a smaller/shot Michael Gomez. And remind me Missy what is MAB's favorite punch

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed atheleticism, but boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this time, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts him down and out with body shots.

Come off what? I aint coming off of nothing.. you have your opinion I dont care how many stats you continue to badger with..

Barrera= Old and not what he used to be

Kahn= Faster, younger, stronger more athletic

A few years ago I would say MAB beats the living crap out of him, now Marco is old... Get that thru your thick skull

Jones, Toney, Castillo, Morales, Delahoya, Tarver, Chavez, Whitaker, Leonard, Hearns etc... All have something in common, they got old lost a step or 2 and detoriated. So put that in your stat machine and see what pops out

Kahn will beat him to the punch consistently Barrera might have his moments early, unless MAB catches him early he's going to be outworked

[JT Rock]

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

Marquez v MAB was two years ago, Barrera has been very inactive recently and has already retired once, in his last fight looked very flabby but maybe he wasnt taking it that serious, i will leave judgement till the weigh in.

Exactly

[JT Rock]

To say Barrera is a c+ fighter you must be 1 of three things

1. Off your head
2. A hater
3. A wind up merchant

I dont know to many A-B fightrs that arent ranked in the top 10 in their division

Show me were the Ring magazine ranks Barrera

[ICB]

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed/atheleticism, by boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this fight, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts Amir Khan down and out with body shots.

Lastly if MAB is a C+ fighter at this time then what does that make JMM ? Manny Pacquiao ? B class fighters ? because JMM just about beat MAB, and MAB gave Manny Pacquiao an awkward 12 rounder. And stealing atleast 3 or 4 rounds. And these fights wern't that long ago either remember that.

Marquez v MAB was two years ago, Barrera has been very inactive recently and has already retired once, in his last fight looked very flabby but maybe he wasnt taking it that serious, i will leave judgement till the weigh in.

My point is in MAB's last few fights he gave the two best P4P fighters in the world, good fights so i fail to see how he can be a "C+" fighter at this point in time. Yes he did look a bit flabby in his last fight, but that was the first time he has fought at that weight.

He's just getting the rounds in, which is why he's having another tune up fight before the Amir Khan fight. He's keeping busy getting the rounds in and also getting used to the weight which is what a true pro does.

[JT Rock]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

[ICB]

Classic case of romance for an old war horse..

So what your saying is that MAB wont be beat to the punch consistently by a faster, stronger, younger fighter with excellent athleticism who will outwork Barrera?


Missy I'm saying Barrera is probably C+ at this point of his career

Come off it JT seriously this is the same Amir Khan, that was knocked senseless by a fighter who only stopped fighters with losing records. He was almost stopped twice by a much smaller/shot fighter in Michael Gomez.

He has some good attributes like speed/athleticism, but didn't MAB take away most of Manny Pacquiao's speed atheleticism, but boxing smart ? Manny Pacquiao basically won because he outworked MAB, but i think MAB will obviously be much more offensive in this time, because he had much more to fear against Manny Pacquiao, i think MAB puts him down and out with body shots.

Come off what? I aint coming off of nothing.. you have your opinion I dont care how many stats you continue to badger with..

Barrera= Old and not what he used to be

Kahn= Faster, younger, stronger more athletic

A few years ago I would say MAB beats the living crap out of him, now Marco is old... Get that thru your thick skull

Jones, Toney, Castillo, Morales, Delahoya, Tarver, Chavez, Whitaker, Leonard, Hearns etc... All have something in common, they got old lost a step or 2 and detoriated. So put that in your stat machine and see what pops out

Kahn will beat him to the punch consistently Barrera might have his moments early, unless MAB catches him early he's going to be outworked

I think your seriously underrating MAB and forgetting how he performed against the two best P4P fighters in the world. How has MAB changed since the JMM fight ?

He had a comeback recently sure he didn't look in the best of shape, but it was a comeback fight at a weight he hadn't fought at before and he done what he was suppoed to do and stop his man.

Secondly why do people keep saying im the stat man ? and what has stats got to do with this argument ? im just telling you MAB performed well against the two best fighters in the world, so how the hell can he be a C+ fighter ?

Lastly the fighters above you mentioned had showed signs of being totally shot before hand, like Pernell Whitaker was struggling against Wilfredo Rivera x2, Diosbelys Hurtado, ETC.

Thats totally different to MAB he hasn't showed any of those signs at all, he obviously isn't at his peak but he still showed he could compete with the top level, and i fail to see how you can come to the conclusion. That someone like Amir Khan. Who has struggled against D class fighters, and wasn't long ago brutally KO'ed in 1 round. Can beat someone of MAB's class.

[Spicoli]

These are very,very deep waters for Khan,even at this point in Barreras career.A young up and coming fighter who has very recently been bomed out in 1 round for his first professional defeat will have a huge monkey on his back going in against a certified HOF....albeit an oldie like Barrera.I'd like to see Barrera physically when it gets close to fight time,surely he won't come in as a flabby unfocused has been given yet another huge oppurtunity?Then again,Barrera can be in great shape but one thing he can not regain in the gym are the many years,undo the wars and just regain that instinct to pull the trigger.Khan has youth and reflex with some skills but I want to see where his mind/confidence are?

[ICB]

To say Barrera is a c+ fighter you must be 1 of three things

1. Off your head
2. A hater
3. A wind up merchant

I dont know to many A-B fightrs that arent ranked in the top 10 in their division

Show me were the Ring magazine ranks Barrera

Thats because MAB has moved up and has only had one fight against a nobody, thats why he isn't rated in the top 10 rankings in that weightclass ? but if you honestly think if MAB was still at Super Featherweight he shouldn't be rated above guys like Nicky Cook, Mzonke Fana, Rocky Juarez, then im speechless.

[ICB]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

[JT Rock]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

I dont care how much you try to shovel my way

World class operators dont fight in chinese gyms with 17 loss fighters nor do they fight 17 fight guys with 4 losses..

Its apparent and you are doing what you do best here and thats try to baffle with BS..

Keep your opinion because Im not changing mine.. end of!!!! He isnt what he used to be.. Do you even remember how many rounds he won in the 24 against Pac and JMM I dont care about your score card Im talking about the official...

109-118 2X 112-115 once Pac

111-116 2x 109-118 once JMM

I would hardly call that impressive, so yea that shoots the argument you made to shit

[ICB]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

I dont care how much you try to shovel my way

World class operators dont fight in chinese gyms with 17 loss fighters nor do they fight 17 fight guys with 4 losses..

Its apparent and you are doing what you do best here and thats try to baffle with BS..

Keep your opinion because Im not changing mine.. end of!!!! He isnt what he used to be.. Do you even remember how many rounds he won in the 24 against Pac and JMM I dont care about your score card Im talking about the official...

109-118 2X 112-115 once Pac

111-116 2x 109-118 once JMM

I would hardly call that impressive, so yea that shoots the argument you made to shit

Why are you getting frustrated for ? im just debating with you thats it, you was bending the truth and wasn't telling the whole story. MAB is fighting tune up fights like he did after his two losses to Junior Jones, i don't get why you feel any different ? why else would he be fighting two bums for other than to get the rust off and get some rounds in ?

You are really clutching at straws now JT, Yea MAB really lost to JMM by 5 points/9 points

Almost every boxing expert and everyone on this forum had that fight a very close fight, and quite a fair amount of people thought MAB won. Your argument is weak and you haven't shot anything to bits. Just because Lewis/Holyfield 1, Whitaker vs Chavez 1, were both draws and the "Official results" you really think those fights were scored that way in a correct way ? please. Thats very flawed logic.

JMM vs MAB was a very close contested battle and i had no problem with JMM getting the result. But by that amount ? get the hell out of here, its not just my opinion its just common sense and knowing how to score a fight.

Manny Pacquiao vs MAB 2 wasn't really close but i feel MAB was pretty much staying there with Manny Pacquiao, until the 9th round where Manny Pacquiao sweeped most of the championship rounds, but i think everyone was pretty much impressed with MAB's performance. He just wasn't active enough.

But i don't see how losing 1 very close decision to the P4P number 2 fighter, and giving a good effort against the P4P number 1 fighter. Is any argument to suggest Amir Khan has a shot against MAB or that MAB is totally shot i just don't get your logic.

[DatsiK]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.