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**Mr140** · 01-19-2009 02:03 PM

Well Tito seems bit bias scoring because there no way that Collazo won the 2 or the 11 rounds i have hard time to give those rounds to him.

**Tito BHB** · 01-19-2009 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mr140

Well Tito seems bit bias scoring because there no way that Collazo won the 2 or the 11 rounds i have hard time to give those rounds to him.

my reasoning is there..

you might not have seenitthat way but bias fades over time ive seen thisfight three times in two days.. and im sure if people re watch it and look out for what i point out they can see my case

**hitmanhatton** · 01-19-2009 02:14 PM

i have to disagree on rounds 2 and 11 dude, there defiatley the swing rounds though although for me i think berot took the 11th and also the 2nd

**Mr140** · 01-19-2009 02:20 PM

Well i watch the fight few times as well but there were clear won rounds for Berto which was the the rounds 2,5,7,8,11,12 the way i scored the fight was as following 1 even,2b,3c,4c,5b,6b,7b,8b,9c,10c,11b,12b so that would make 115-114 for Berto i belive but it was a close fight i just dont get the robbery part it was far to much and the fag stuff.

**luvfightgame** · 01-20-2009 04:29 AM

I think Collazo won it. I had it scored the same as the 2 judges who actually watched the fight, except with Collazo ahead instead of Berto. The third judge must have marked his score card before each round with who he wanted to win. No way anybody was ahead by 5 rounds in that fight.

It was close enough to go either way so I can't call it a robbery but, Collazo worked his tail off and deserved the win in my book.

Hats off to both fighers. Best fight I've seen in a long time.

**Gandalf** · 01-20-2009 12:20 PM

I sat down andwatched it properly earlier and I have revised my opinion. It wasnt a clear Collazo decision. It was a very close fight. With the point deduction I think Collazo did enough to edge the decision.

But having said that, Collazo should have done everything possible to take that final round. In a close fight like that, you've got to let it all hang out.

A tough decision though, and no doubt Collazo deserves a rematch. I hope Berto has the balls to give him it immediately. No reason why they cant do it again 3-4 months later.

**JT Rock** · 01-20-2009 01:37 PM

Andre Berto earns stripes in overcoming Luis Collazo - ESPN

I appreciated Dan Rafael's scorecard and sentiments about the fight...

I'll say it again and seldom agree with Taeth, Andre landed the stiffer more effective punches, Luis threw roughly 130 more punches than Berto, but Andre landed about 40 more..Berto connected on 266 of 682 shots (39 percent) and Collazo landed 222 of 812 shots (27 percent), according to CompuBox statistics.

You could hear and almost feel Berto's punches were as Luis was cutsie on the inside hitting Berto like Joe Cal hits the heavy bag but that wasnt enough..

My opinion on Luis hasnt changed, he is a quality character and top 10 Welter but when he needed to find that 6th gear he didnt have it, and its that small margin in a talent stacked allstar division thats going to make a difference on who is the real McCoy and who is going to be on the outside looking in, and even though he made a true fan out of me Saturday, I still see him rubbing ice off the window and watching the top guys party inside were its warm..

**Gandalf** · 01-20-2009 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Andre Berto earns stripes in overcoming Luis Collazo - ESPN

I appreciated Dan Rafael's scorecard and sentiments about the fight...

I'll say it again and seldom agree with Taeth, Andre landed the stiffer more effective punches, Luis threw roughly 130 more punches than Berto, but Andre landed about 40 more..Berto connected on 266 of 682 shots (39 percent) and Collazo landed 222 of 812 shots (27 percent), according to CompuBox statistics.

You could hear and almost feel Berto's punches were as Luis was cutsie on the inside hitting Berto like Joe Cal hits the heavy bag but that wasnt enough..

My opinion on Luis hasnt changed, he is a quality character and top 10 Welter but when he needed to find that 6th gear he didnt have it, and its that small margin in a talent stacked allstar division thats going to make a difference on who is the real McCoy and who is going to be on the outside looking in, and even though he made a true fan out of me Saturday, I still see him rubbing ice off the window and watching the top guys party inside were its warm..

The opinion of Dan Rafael doesnt make a fight result any more valid. Its just a guy with a beard and an opinion. It was an extremely close fight. There are any number of equally valid opinions out there who would disagree with Dan. And probably Taeth too for that matter. The punch count figures are not clear because both guys took rounds off and boxing is of course, a round by round thing.

A rematch would be the gents way to go, and Berto said as much in the post fight interview. It would be good to see it again 4 months later. It wasnt a brutal fight and it was crowd pleasing, no reason for it not to happen again and for Berto to try and prove he really is the better fighter.