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oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple
"to be fairly successful in the division"

Did you post that? Or did I twist your fukking words again? Your about to trip your going backwards so fast.

You still haven't quoted where I said that Haye had devastating power for a Heavyweight... or where I said that Haye would steam roll Areolla... or where I said Haye was going to take the division over.

Where? Quote it. Show me what I've said and then how I've back tracked from that.

Haye didn't come to Heavyweight to be fairly successful. He came to take over the fukking division. no shit... Which I don't think he can cuz I see no evidence of him having the power to do it. Good for you, I repsect your opinon but I disgaree.

I gave you reasons why Haye would not steamroll Arreola (read the thread title, stupid haha, everybody can see who needs to read things properly!). You speak up for Haye but give no reasons why he would. When did I say he would steamroll Arreola? the only reason I posted in this thread was to tell you how much of an idiot you are for basing a fighters one punch KO power off the round number they managed to catch somebody clean in Instead you go completely off topic talking about Byrd and Mayweather. How was it completely off topic? you got all excited when I said that Haye had enough power to hang in the division... by that I mean he has power to be respected, even at heavy, maybe not blast the bigger heavys out... after repeating it 3 times I felt you needed an analogy of what I meant because it obviously wasn't sinking in and obviously still isn't
I don't know what more can be said... I've made two simple statements, nothing else:

1) You're an idiot for comparing how many rounds a fighter took to KO another fighter and basing their punch power off that.

2) Haye has enough power to be respected off anybody he faces/hang with the division/not get mugged out of the ring/box effectively (pick a colour, they all mean basically the same thing... just pick ONE though... more than that and the different wording might confuse you)

I didn't say that:

Haye had devastating power at heavyweight
Haye was going to dominate the division
Haye would easily beat Areolla

Try as hard as you want to but I guarantee you will not be able to quote me as saying any of those. I feel like I'm not debating boxing with you so much as your ability to understand basic english.
What happened is you went so far out there you got lost. Let me bring you back. All that's require from you is a simple yes or no. Nothing else. I'm hoping something this simple is not above your capabilities.

Do you think David "The Haymaker" Haye would steamroll (crush, destroy, annihilate) Chris "The Nightmare" Arreola? Yes or no. Simple one word answer. No essay required.