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God i hate guys like u who just make stuff up and refuse to research.
PBF win the 1993 national golden gloves at 106 pounds aged 16 not 12. Manny fouht at 106 aged 17, so not a whole lot of difference there.

Keep in mind Floyd was fighting and beating the best 106 pound amatures in the US, some of these guys were real men not 12 yr olds like u inferred.

Add this to the fact that Pac only fought once at 106 and was fighting at 113 a year later. Pacs crappy early opponents were all in their teens or early 20s and none had good records. They certainly wouldnt have been the calibre of fighter that a top US golden gloves amature is..
Well... you also twist the facts for your argument. Pacquiao at the same age as Maweather was 110lbs, and Mayweather was 130lbs. Pacquiao is a legitimately 3 weight classes below Mayweather. There will be doubt about how to measure Pacquiao's greatness until he faces another great welterweight. There is no doubt that Mayweather is a top 100 on the all time greatest fighters list but he is not in a legitimate top 50 list. If Pacquiao were to retire today he is arguably in the top 50 list mostly due to the fact that he rose from 106 to fight at 147 in his professional career. If Pacquiao were to fight Marigrito and win it would solidify him as a top 50 and perhaps put him top 20 all time list. If Mayweather were to defeat Marigrito it would only solidify him as a legitimate top 80 or so. If Mayweather were to defeat Mikkel Kessler at 160lbs it would add a lot more clout to his legacy and perhaps put him in a legitimate top 50 list. A Pacquiao win over Mayweather means much more to boxing history than a Mayweather jr win over Pacquiao. Mayweather jr beating Pacquiao only means Mayweathers' can fly a little longer with their lips.

Pacquiao beating Hatton makes him all the more p4p king and moves him further up the list of all time great fighters. Lets hope that Pacquiao can draw out Mayweather and have the balls to fight Marigrito.
The point i made is that Julius said Floyd was 12 when he was 106 when in fact he was 16. He said that Floyd was fighting little boys when in fact he was fighting the best amatures in the US, who are far better than 0-3 Philipino hacks.

You are nothing more than a Pac fanboy if u think PBF may just sneak into top 100 all time but Pac deserves to be top 50. Fact is naturally Pac and PBF both walk around at about 145-150 between fights and are about the same height so saying Pac is 3 weight divisions below Floyd is utter nonsense. They both weihged high 140's when they fought ODLH. Floyd chose to maove up in weight earlier than Pac, i daresay if he tried he could still be fighting at 135 or even 130 he just chose to move up earlier.

Mikkel Kessler doesnt even fight at 160, he struggles to make 168 at times! Floyd maybe weighs 2 pounds more than manny and is at most 2 inches taller. Kessler is naturally 4-5 inches taller than Floyd and 35-45 pounds heavier.

How can u say Pac beating Margaritio would make him top 20 but PBF only maybe top 80? Please oh please get off Manny's nuts.

Manny has been KO'D beaten and pushed all the way on numerous occasions, Floyd has only been in a really close fight once, and is undefeated which adds to his legacy.
Somebody got something stuck up their butt! or perhaps you are just an idiot?

Reread the statement I made. I wrote PBF is not legitimately in the top 50 list of all time great fighters. (That considers his current resume) You also understand my point that Pacquiao's fight at 147 is totally out of his weight class of 135 where as he started at 106. Where as, for Mayweather to have the same sort of accomplishment, he'd have to fight someone coming down in weight to meet him two weight classes above his current weight class, keeping in mind that he started at 130. That is how amazing the accomplishment of Pacquiao is! Your argument is one that belittles Pacquiao's accomplishment. PBF is arguably in the top 50. And having more fights at his current weight class does nothing for his legacy except help to solidify his position, top 50/80 whatever, if he were to beat "great fighters" above his weight class then he proves he deserves to be on everones top 50 list. By not fighting he just withers and we forget him. We are not able to measure Floyd's accomplishments unless he fights. So when you compare current resumes PBF is in the top 100 of most anyones list but Pacquiao is higher due to his resume. Pacquiao beating Margarito, who is a guy no one expects him to beat, is a great accomplishment. PBF beating Margrito just says he faced another great fighter in his weight class and earned braggart rights.

Forget about MP and PBF, Lets see Hatton, who walks around at 170/180. beat a "great fighter" two weight classes above his current weight class! You will see him on lots of list then.