Tyson vs Holyfield - who of them is better fighter?

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Remember, Holy wasn't a prime heavyweight when he fought Tyson? OK mon if you say so. I suppose we can both speculate about who was more past their best as a heavyweight.

As for the mythical prime for prime matchup, I speculate for Tyson, you speculate for Holyfield. But if you're telling me that I can't talk prime for prime, then you win it all. I've already granted you the edge on the "better career" criteria.

Yes i would for certain say Evander Holyfield wasn't in his prime then. His workrate had dropped and he would clinch more and he didn't move as good as he did in the early 90s, his peak was when he beat Riddick Bowe in the rematch, or when he destroyed Buster Douglas. That was his peak performances for certain IMO.

Lastly its not about winning bro no one wins in a debate, unless your talking to a moron but then you've already won the debate before its started. And you can't really win in a mythical match up because no one can prove anything with 100 percent facts.

But i do have the added advantage because Evander Holyfield, still beat a good version of Mike Tyson. Not the prime version for sure but Mike Tyson still had quite a bit left at that point, and he wasn't as shot as people make out.

And as i said Mike Tyson still had mental problems even in his prime, he got frustrated and sloppy against Jose Ribalta when he fought back. And when Mike Tyson couldn't finish him off, Mike Tyson also wasn't that far from losing to James Tillis but the knockdown saved him in the 4th round.

Now James Tillis didn't have a good chin, but yet once he got past the half way point of the fight, he managed to survive because as i said. Mike Tyson gets frustrated and rarely has a stoppage win after the half way point in a fight.

Mike Tyson also lost 4 rounds against Tony Tucker, and we might of actually had an upset had Tony Tucker not broke his right hand. Because he was winning the fight until he broke his right hand in the 4th round, then he went into a shell.

But he still managed to win the last round and fight almost 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand. Now how did he do that ? because once again Mike Tyson gets frustrated, loses his concentration. And becomes more sloppy and stops setting things up as good as he was earlier, and starts looking more for the 1 punch KO.

Evander Holyfield was just mentally much tougher and had the heart of a true champion. He was also a very good counter puncher which is a bad style match up for Mike Tyson, because Evander Holyfield could time Mike Tyson coming in, just like he did when they fought in 1996 which was a big key. As i said before Evander Holyfield by UD in a tough fight no question IMO.

Yeah, mental "steel" wasn't Tyson's strong point, that's for sure. He was inconsistant that way.

He didn't blow everyone out early, he had some decision wins against some good fighters, but yeah, he did struggle a time or two. They all do. Every fighter has a weakness somewhere.

Hard to describe just what was wrong in the post jail Tyson. I'm not into breaking fights down scientifically. Sure he had gas in the tank, maybe physically he was OK, but somehing was missing. Certainly wins against McNeely, Mathis, Seldon, and a scared shitless Bruno were hardly evidence of anything. Maybe Tyson was relying too much on brute force, I'm not sure. Maybe "prime" is the wrong word, maybe "on his game" is more appropriate.

Anyways, I don't have much else to say about it, so cheers!

The problem was that he didn't have his head movement anymore, which was one of his best assets landing punches and hardly getting hit in return. He also didn't throw combinations anymore and didn't set things up and focused too much on a 1 punch KO win.