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    Default Re: Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
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    As far as who brings the revenue to the fight Hatton probably brings more than Manny. Manny beating Oscar only makes him a draw with hardcore boxing fans. Put him in a PPV where his opponent isn't either American or Latino and how many buys will he sell? Hatton brings up to $30 million to the promotion just from UK TV PPV buys. That's the equivalent of 600 000 US PPV buys. Manny isn't worth 600 000 more PPV buys than Hatton to the promotion and Manny's domestic TV revenue would bring in the region of $50 000. He'll earn only a fraction of what he could make fighting Hatton for his next fight while Hatton will make ten million plus fighting somebody at Wembley. Manny bottled it.

    (Or at least he may well agree in a day or a week. IIRC the Oscar negotiations went on for a couple of months and it was on again off again till they finally agreed. He already got Hatton down to 53-47, maybe it ends up 55-45. But if there's no agreement, because Manny is turning down a payday far in excess of anything else he can make fighting somebody else, he's clearly bottling the fight.)
    If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

    Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.
    Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.

    Pac is scared and everyone knows it
    A fight Hatton turned down cuz of fear.

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    Default Re: Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post

    If the fight happens it happens in the US. Not the UK. Ever since the Calzaghe-Kessler debacle (lowest HBO ratings ever) HBO has pretty much stop giving a fukk about other countries. They've done the smart thing and gone back to simply worrying about the US. And in the US Pac easily trumps Hatton. Why you think Pac-David Diaz was on PPV and Hatton-Lazcano was on the Vesus channel? Pac has an audience here. Hatton doesn't.

    Facts are Hatton needs Pac more than Pac needs him. Especally status wise. Pac can fight Marquez for the 3rd time. Or take on Valero or Campbell. Maybe get Mayweather out of retirement. Hell he's even talking stupid about facing Margarito. All them fights elevate his staus. What's Hatton going to do? Keep ruling a weak 140 division. Wins over Holt or Bradley would be nice. But do little. Marquez maybe. But Marquez wants Pac more than anything. A Mayweather rematch is a no sell without Hatton beating Pac first. And he won't go back to 147. So what's he going to do? He should take the 40% and make the fight. That 40% is still worth millions. So it's not like he's not going to eat.
    Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.

    Pac is scared and everyone knows it
    A fight Hatton turned down cuz of fear.
    Yea but that really has no bearing in this instance, Pac is scared to fight Hatton.. he has the chance to fight Ricky for Mondo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and for the the Ring title at 140

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    Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubberLang View Post
    Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.
    Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ClubberLang View Post
    Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.
    Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.
    No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.

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    Default Re: Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubberLang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ClubberLang View Post
    Absolute, sheer stupidity by Paquiao and his team. Hatton generates more money than Pac based on his UK pay-per-view sales and therefore deserved the lions share of the money, yet Hatton's team was going to give Pac an undeserved higher percentage of the take and they still would not budge. Sheer insanity. Pac won't make a fraction of the Hatton purse for any other fight sans Mayweather. Just dumb.
    Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.
    No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.
    I'm not sure you get my point. Just because it's a UK ppv buy, doesn't mean Hatton gets all the credit for the sale. It's because Hatton is fighting the #1 guy that the sales will be so big. Unless you think the UK buyers don't really care who Hatton is fighting.

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    Default Re: Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ClubberLang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post

    Maybe, maybe not. Sure the UK ppv sales are mostly Hatton fans, but It's the fact that Hatton is fighting the #1 p4p that really draws the big sales, wouldn't you say? Maybe compare the potential ppv sales to that of Hatton-Maglianaggi or Hatton Lazcano, then ask yourself whether the UK ppv sales is all because of Hatton.
    No, based on a sheer numbers basis Hatton factually generates more money than Pac. The Phillipines is a poor area and does not generate high PPV sales. UK fans, on the other hand, generate massive PPV sales.
    I'm not sure you get my point. Just because it's a UK ppv buy, doesn't mean Hatton gets all the credit for the sale. It's because Hatton is fighting the #1 guy that the sales will be so big. Unless you think the UK buyers don't really care who Hatton is fighting.
    Certainly, the opponent factors in. But Hatton generate huge revenue regardless of his opponent. I am sure you saw the crowd for the Lazcano charade? Pac couldn't do that in the Philippines simply due to the economic situation. It's a poor country. Pac may be equal or above Hatton just on pure "the love" factor, but in terms of real dollars Hatton is way beyond Pacman.

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    Default Re: Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post

    Fighting the man at 140 legitimizes Pac, he skipped over that division to fight an old dried up Delahoya, which pales in comparison to fighting and beating Hatton.

    Pac is scared and everyone knows it
    A fight Hatton turned down cuz of fear.
    Yea but that really has no bearing in this instance, Pac is scared to fight Hatton.. he has the chance to fight Ricky for Mondo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and for the the Ring title at 140
    Mainstream it does. If Pac wants to be a biitch by pushing the 50-50 (or whatever he's asking) than let him. Fukk it. He beat Oscar. He's hot right now. Hatton is not. Hatton needs to realize that. Take the 40% and go beat his ass. That 40% is still worth Mondo$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. So he takes home 8 million (example only) instead of 12 million. Damn! Poor guy. Stop playing this "I can be a bigger biitch than you" game with Pac and make the fight.

    I don't the doubt the yellow in Pac is coming out. Cuz it clearly is. But shiit goes both ways. Maybe Hatton ain't all that confidence he can win. That's why he ain't budging. If he's going to lose might as well get top money out of it. If he doesn't he'll just walk away. Walking away from millions

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    Default Re: Looks like Hatton- Paquiao is off

    Iam so glad i never took a gamble and booked flights to Vegas as many have gone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlebif View Post
    Iam so glad i never took a gamble and booked flights to Vegas as many have gone!
    Booking flights for a fight that's not yet a "done deal" is not the most advisable thing to do... You made an excellent decision...
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    I'm well gutted at the outcome of this,It seemed a done deal until Paquiao started to talk crap,He knew full well that Hatton wouldn't back down and just say go on then Manny,You have the majority,When the arena would have been packed out with Hatton fans,And the draw he is on PPV,It was just nonsense,And i think Paquiao intentionally did this to dodge the fight,Sadly.

    I know De La Hoya was well beaten by Paquiao,But if he won there would have been the super fight of De La Hoya and Hatton,Any chance of that happening now,It would be in Britain too wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joniebeeuk View Post
    I'm well gutted at the outcome of this,It seemed a done deal until Paquiao started to talk crap,He knew full well that Hatton wouldn't back down and just say go on then Manny,You have the majority,When the arena would have been packed out with Hatton fans,And the draw he is on PPV,It was just nonsense,And i think Paquiao intentionally did this to dodge the fight,Sadly.

    I know De La Hoya was well beaten by Paquiao,But if he won there would have been the super fight of De La Hoya and Hatton,Any chance of that happening now,It would be in Britain too wouldn't it?
    I hope not.Hatton doesnt want to be fighting fighters that have just been soundly beaten at this stage in his career.Plus what weight would it be at we all saw what effect it had on ODH making 147 it killed him.

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