Margarito - No longer indestructable

[Greig]

Tony took some hard shots from Cotto and he just smile and walked right through them which was unbelievable to me. But i said this before that eventually you wont be able to take those shots forever.

Exactly my point.

I think that in order to keep fighting against the elite Tony needs to reorganize his style and not be so gung ho about things, much the same way that Tszyu did after Vince Phillips, although he had the benefit of being, IMO, a a far more skilled boxer than Tony thanks to his amateur pedigree.

Tony, when you look at it, is a pretty one dimensional fighter. I think he has a nice jab, but Mosley really exposed his lack of subtlety and speed tonight. He controlled the distance so well, kept him just out of range or too close ALL NIGHT. Very similar to what Hopkins did to Kelly Pavlik.

Can Tony change? Don't know, but after tonight I think we all agree he needs to...

[kingfrnk]

Tony took some hard shots from Cotto and he just smile and walked right through them which was unbelievable to me. But i said this before that eventually you wont be able to take those shots forever.

Exactly my point.

I think that in order to keep fighting against the elite Tony needs to reorganize his style and not be so gung ho about things, much the same way that Tszyu did after Vince Phillips, although he had the benefit of being, IMO, a a far more skilled boxer than Tony thanks to his amateur pedigree.

Tony, when you look at it, is a pretty one dimensional fighter. I think he has a nice jab, but Mosley really exposed his lack of subtlety and speed tonight. He controlled the distance so well, kept him just out of range or too close ALL NIGHT. Very similar to what Hopkins did to Kelly Pavlik.

Can Tony change? Don't know, but after tonight I think we all agree he needs to...

Its pretty clear that tony is very one dimensional. But as far as his style goes i think hes fukked cause hes fought with the same style his whole career and would be very difficult for him to change it up all of a sudden. Now it should be even easier for Cotto to beat him since he wont have that plaster in his gloves and is very easy to study now that Mosley exposed him.

[Greig]

Tony took some hard shots from Cotto and he just smile and walked right through them which was unbelievable to me. But i said this before that eventually you wont be able to take those shots forever.

Exactly my point.

I think that in order to keep fighting against the elite Tony needs to reorganize his style and not be so gung ho about things, much the same way that Tszyu did after Vince Phillips, although he had the benefit of being, IMO, a a far more skilled boxer than Tony thanks to his amateur pedigree.

Tony, when you look at it, is a pretty one dimensional fighter. I think he has a nice jab, but Mosley really exposed his lack of subtlety and speed tonight. He controlled the distance so well, kept him just out of range or too close ALL NIGHT. Very similar to what Hopkins did to Kelly Pavlik.

Can Tony change? Don't know, but after tonight I think we all agree he needs to...

Its pretty clear that tony is very one dimensional. But as far as his style goes i think hes fukked cause hes fought with the same style his whole career and would be very difficult for him to change it up all of a sudden. Now it should be even easier for Cotto to beat him since he wont have that plaster in his gloves and is very easy to study now that Mosley exposed him.

Maybe - but does Cotto have Mosley's balls and heart?

[kingfrnk]

Balls yes after all he did face Margarito who was one of the most avoided fighters at 147.

Heart i wouldnt say hes all heart but Cotto does have heart but sometimes heart doesnt win fights.

But as of now this Mosley is almost unstoppable at 147.

[Greig]

Cotto is courageous no doubt.

But a beating like the one he took against Tony will do things to your mind. Just like the beating Tony took tonight will play on his mind.


Interesting year ahead at 147.

[belakbox]

I think Cotto has Balls enough, but is not as durable as Mosely. He needs to take a note from Mosely and clinch more against Margarito and he'll get the victory.

[Taeth]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

[RozzySean]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

You are so full of crap. Mosley was slipping Tony's shots all night. His defense was great and he was countering his ass off. He clinched effectively, but it wasn't excessive and even on the inside, without clinching, Mosley was eating him up. Did you notice those nice little left uppercuts and the digging bodywork? The short, chopping rights? Yeah, you did. You just don't want to give Mosley credit. You never have and you never will. Sit down, shut up. You called this one wrong. Don't sit there and try to make excuses. You said there is no way Shane is winning this fight. Loud and clear and absolute. You were dead ass wrong.

Shane was faster, boxed better, jabbed better, hit harder, and dominated him in every regard. I wasn't sure Shane had this performance left in him, but I gave him a chance and spelled out reasons why Shane would make this a close fight and possibly win a decision. I can't believe you can say that Cotto hits harder and more accurately than Mosley and that Cotto fought a bad fight against Tony. Cotto fought a great fight against Tony, but Cotto doesn't have Mosley's chin, speed, or power. Cotto has forward leaning posture than makes him open to uppercuts, and Cotto let Tony punish him even when Tony wasn't landing cleanly. Margarito couldn't get off against Shane because the speed difference was too great and Shane was moving and making him miss.

Cotto won a razor thin victory over Mosley by using his jab to outbox Shane for the last few rounds, and the jab is how you beat Mosley. Just like Winky, just like Forrest.


This fight wasn't about the clinch. It was about Shane pulling out a jab he hasn't used in years and it was about Shane moving, hitting Tony hard from angles, beating him to the punch pretty much everytime. Shane won every round, save maybe one. Yes, Shane used his strength in clinches. That's part of the game, but don't try to make this sound like it was Hatton/KT or John Ruiz against anybody. Mosley was superior with both physical and punching power. He backed up Tony, in the clinch AND out of the clinch, which is something nobody else has done. Tony was outboxed, outpunched, outmuscled, and given a boxing lesson worse than the one Hopkins gave Pavlik.

Cotto didn't fight a bad fight. Tony was a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. If I recall, you and I were some of the few of the people preaching that idea before the fight. Cotto doesn't have Mosley's physical strength or power, but he has the kind of jab that is kryptonite to Mosley. End of story. Mosley gave Tony a boxing lesson.

[belakbox]

I think Cotto's speed and accuracy is on par with Mosely, but he's definitely not as powerful as Mosely. He's not far behind in the power dept. though. Cotto was fighting a near perfect fight against Margarito and got caught. The "clinch" would have served Cotto very well and had he used it like Mosely did he might have made it the full 12. Not sure if he would have won, because he was already hurt early but I think he would have went the distance. Last night Mosely did everything Cotto did against Margarito only better and added the perfect dosage of clinching to make life easier on him. Masterful performance by a master fighter.

[Bomp]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

You are so full of crap. Mosley was slipping Tony's shots all night. His defense was great and he was countering his ass off. He clinched effectively, but it wasn't excessive and even on the inside, without clinching, Mosley was eating him up. Did you notice those nice little left uppercuts and the digging bodywork? The short, chopping rights? Yeah, you did. You just don't want to give Mosley credit. You never have and you never will. Sit down, shut up. You called this one wrong. Don't sit there and try to make excuses. You said there is no way Shane is winning this fight. Loud and clear and absolute. You were dead ass wrong.

Shane was faster, boxed better, jabbed better, hit harder, and dominated him in every regard. I wasn't sure Shane had this performance left in him, but I gave him a chance and spelled out reasons why Shane would make this a close fight and possibly win a decision. I can't believe you can say that Cotto hits harder and more accurately than Mosley and that Cotto fought a bad fight against Tony. Cotto fought a great fight against Tony, but Cotto doesn't have Mosley's chin, speed, or power. Cotto has forward leaning posture than makes him open to uppercuts, and Cotto let Tony punish him even when Tony wasn't landing cleanly. Margarito couldn't get off against Shane because the speed difference was too great and Shane was moving and making him miss.

Cotto won a razor thin victory over Mosley by using his jab to outbox Shane for the last few rounds, and the jab is how you beat Mosley. Just like Winky, just like Forrest.


This fight wasn't about the clinch. It was about Shane pulling out a jab he hasn't used in years and it was about Shane moving, hitting Tony hard from angles, beating him to the punch pretty much everytime. Shane won every round, save maybe one. Yes, Shane used his strength in clinches. That's part of the game, but don't try to make this sound like it was Hatton/KT or John Ruiz against anybody. Mosley was superior with both physical and punching power. He backed up Tony, in the clinch AND out of the clinch, which is something nobody else has done. Tony was outboxed, outpunched, outmuscled, and given a boxing lesson worse than the one Hopkins gave Pavlik.

Cotto didn't fight a bad fight. Tony was a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. If I recall, you and I were some of the few of the people preaching that idea before the fight. Cotto doesn't have Mosley's physical strength or power, but he has the kind of jab that is kryptonite to Mosley. End of story. Mosley gave Tony a boxing lesson.

I agrre Mosely boxed great, but also agree with Taeth that the clinch was a factor, may not have been THE deciding factor but helped Shane a lot. He'd land a combination, but rather than taking punishment like Cotto did he held at SOME occasions while using footwork and the jab on other occasions.

[Taeth]

Exactly my point.

I think that in order to keep fighting against the elite Tony needs to reorganize his style and not be so gung ho about things, much the same way that Tszyu did after Vince Phillips, although he had the benefit of being, IMO, a a far more skilled boxer than Tony thanks to his amateur pedigree.

Tony, when you look at it, is a pretty one dimensional fighter. I think he has a nice jab, but Mosley really exposed his lack of subtlety and speed tonight. He controlled the distance so well, kept him just out of range or too close ALL NIGHT. Very similar to what Hopkins did to Kelly Pavlik.

Can Tony change? Don't know, but after tonight I think we all agree he needs to...

Its pretty clear that tony is very one dimensional. But as far as his style goes i think hes fukked cause hes fought with the same style his whole career and would be very difficult for him to change it up all of a sudden. Now it should be even easier for Cotto to beat him since he wont have that plaster in his gloves and is very easy to study now that Mosley exposed him.

Maybe - but does Cotto have Mosley's balls and heart?

Mosley never needed to dig deep, margarito hardly landed anything because the clinch is so effective.

[Mr140]

Well i never remember Shane giving up in a fight like Cotto did but i got to say not every is blessed with a chin and i disagree Teath i think Mosley speed puts alot more on his punches then Cotto just look at the effect on Margrito and you can see who can throw the harder punch dude.

[Taeth]

Well i never remember Shane giving up in a fight like Cotto did but i got to say not every is blessed with a chin and i disagree Teath i think Mosley speed puts alot more on his punches then Cotto just look at the effect on Margrito and you can see who can throw the harder punch dude.

What better way to compare power than to see the guys fighting eachother watch Cotto-Mosley, Cotto hits harder, he hit MArgarito harder as well, he was snapping his head back more. Shane isn't that hard of a puncher above lightweight, certainly isn't on Cotto's level in power punching, COtto is nearly at 140 the same puncher Mosley was at 135.

[Mr140]

Yea but teah i dont remeber Margrito falling all over the place when Cotto hit him i mean when Mosley hit him it stop Margarito right in his tracks.

[denilson200]

Where are all the “Magarito would destroy Mayweather” people now ? Come out !! Come out !! Wherever you are !! If was Magarito I would retire. He must have made some money. The fact is he will never beat a top-class fighter now that he chin and his cheating hand wraps has been exposed. He doesn’t have the boxing skills to beat any of the top fights. Cotto will beat him easily in a rematch. Williams will outclass him. Mosley will beat him even quicker and Mayweather must be sitting at home laughing his arse off.