Margarito - No longer indestructable

[Taeth]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

[RozzySean]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

You are so full of crap. Mosley was slipping Tony's shots all night. His defense was great and he was countering his ass off. He clinched effectively, but it wasn't excessive and even on the inside, without clinching, Mosley was eating him up. Did you notice those nice little left uppercuts and the digging bodywork? The short, chopping rights? Yeah, you did. You just don't want to give Mosley credit. You never have and you never will. Sit down, shut up. You called this one wrong. Don't sit there and try to make excuses. You said there is no way Shane is winning this fight. Loud and clear and absolute. You were dead ass wrong.

Shane was faster, boxed better, jabbed better, hit harder, and dominated him in every regard. I wasn't sure Shane had this performance left in him, but I gave him a chance and spelled out reasons why Shane would make this a close fight and possibly win a decision. I can't believe you can say that Cotto hits harder and more accurately than Mosley and that Cotto fought a bad fight against Tony. Cotto fought a great fight against Tony, but Cotto doesn't have Mosley's chin, speed, or power. Cotto has forward leaning posture than makes him open to uppercuts, and Cotto let Tony punish him even when Tony wasn't landing cleanly. Margarito couldn't get off against Shane because the speed difference was too great and Shane was moving and making him miss.

Cotto won a razor thin victory over Mosley by using his jab to outbox Shane for the last few rounds, and the jab is how you beat Mosley. Just like Winky, just like Forrest.


This fight wasn't about the clinch. It was about Shane pulling out a jab he hasn't used in years and it was about Shane moving, hitting Tony hard from angles, beating him to the punch pretty much everytime. Shane won every round, save maybe one. Yes, Shane used his strength in clinches. That's part of the game, but don't try to make this sound like it was Hatton/KT or John Ruiz against anybody. Mosley was superior with both physical and punching power. He backed up Tony, in the clinch AND out of the clinch, which is something nobody else has done. Tony was outboxed, outpunched, outmuscled, and given a boxing lesson worse than the one Hopkins gave Pavlik.

Cotto didn't fight a bad fight. Tony was a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. If I recall, you and I were some of the few of the people preaching that idea before the fight. Cotto doesn't have Mosley's physical strength or power, but he has the kind of jab that is kryptonite to Mosley. End of story. Mosley gave Tony a boxing lesson.

[belakbox]

I think Cotto's speed and accuracy is on par with Mosely, but he's definitely not as powerful as Mosely. He's not far behind in the power dept. though. Cotto was fighting a near perfect fight against Margarito and got caught. The "clinch" would have served Cotto very well and had he used it like Mosely did he might have made it the full 12. Not sure if he would have won, because he was already hurt early but I think he would have went the distance. Last night Mosely did everything Cotto did against Margarito only better and added the perfect dosage of clinching to make life easier on him. Masterful performance by a master fighter.

[Bomp]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

You are so full of crap. Mosley was slipping Tony's shots all night. His defense was great and he was countering his ass off. He clinched effectively, but it wasn't excessive and even on the inside, without clinching, Mosley was eating him up. Did you notice those nice little left uppercuts and the digging bodywork? The short, chopping rights? Yeah, you did. You just don't want to give Mosley credit. You never have and you never will. Sit down, shut up. You called this one wrong. Don't sit there and try to make excuses. You said there is no way Shane is winning this fight. Loud and clear and absolute. You were dead ass wrong.

Shane was faster, boxed better, jabbed better, hit harder, and dominated him in every regard. I wasn't sure Shane had this performance left in him, but I gave him a chance and spelled out reasons why Shane would make this a close fight and possibly win a decision. I can't believe you can say that Cotto hits harder and more accurately than Mosley and that Cotto fought a bad fight against Tony. Cotto fought a great fight against Tony, but Cotto doesn't have Mosley's chin, speed, or power. Cotto has forward leaning posture than makes him open to uppercuts, and Cotto let Tony punish him even when Tony wasn't landing cleanly. Margarito couldn't get off against Shane because the speed difference was too great and Shane was moving and making him miss.

Cotto won a razor thin victory over Mosley by using his jab to outbox Shane for the last few rounds, and the jab is how you beat Mosley. Just like Winky, just like Forrest.


This fight wasn't about the clinch. It was about Shane pulling out a jab he hasn't used in years and it was about Shane moving, hitting Tony hard from angles, beating him to the punch pretty much everytime. Shane won every round, save maybe one. Yes, Shane used his strength in clinches. That's part of the game, but don't try to make this sound like it was Hatton/KT or John Ruiz against anybody. Mosley was superior with both physical and punching power. He backed up Tony, in the clinch AND out of the clinch, which is something nobody else has done. Tony was outboxed, outpunched, outmuscled, and given a boxing lesson worse than the one Hopkins gave Pavlik.

Cotto didn't fight a bad fight. Tony was a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. If I recall, you and I were some of the few of the people preaching that idea before the fight. Cotto doesn't have Mosley's physical strength or power, but he has the kind of jab that is kryptonite to Mosley. End of story. Mosley gave Tony a boxing lesson.

I agrre Mosely boxed great, but also agree with Taeth that the clinch was a factor, may not have been THE deciding factor but helped Shane a lot. He'd land a combination, but rather than taking punishment like Cotto did he held at SOME occasions while using footwork and the jab on other occasions.

[RozzySean]

Mosley didn't just clinch, he uses his strength to move Margarito, and that wore Margarito down. There were a few times Cotto used that strength in the clinch against Margarito, but he would then precede to back off. Miguel Cotto fought a bad fight, and I think after watching that fight if he altered his style, he stopped Margarito faster than Mosley because he hits harder, he is more accurate, and lands more meaningful punches. But tonight is a perfect example of how important the clinch is.

If Mosley wasn't able to clinch he would have lost, he doesn't have the slick defensive skills needed to stop Margarito's offensive arsenal, anytime Margarito tried to get going Mosley held him.

You are so full of crap. Mosley was slipping Tony's shots all night. His defense was great and he was countering his ass off. He clinched effectively, but it wasn't excessive and even on the inside, without clinching, Mosley was eating him up. Did you notice those nice little left uppercuts and the digging bodywork? The short, chopping rights? Yeah, you did. You just don't want to give Mosley credit. You never have and you never will. Sit down, shut up. You called this one wrong. Don't sit there and try to make excuses. You said there is no way Shane is winning this fight. Loud and clear and absolute. You were dead ass wrong.

Shane was faster, boxed better, jabbed better, hit harder, and dominated him in every regard. I wasn't sure Shane had this performance left in him, but I gave him a chance and spelled out reasons why Shane would make this a close fight and possibly win a decision. I can't believe you can say that Cotto hits harder and more accurately than Mosley and that Cotto fought a bad fight against Tony. Cotto fought a great fight against Tony, but Cotto doesn't have Mosley's chin, speed, or power. Cotto has forward leaning posture than makes him open to uppercuts, and Cotto let Tony punish him even when Tony wasn't landing cleanly. Margarito couldn't get off against Shane because the speed difference was too great and Shane was moving and making him miss.

Cotto won a razor thin victory over Mosley by using his jab to outbox Shane for the last few rounds, and the jab is how you beat Mosley. Just like Winky, just like Forrest.


This fight wasn't about the clinch. It was about Shane pulling out a jab he hasn't used in years and it was about Shane moving, hitting Tony hard from angles, beating him to the punch pretty much everytime. Shane won every round, save maybe one. Yes, Shane used his strength in clinches. That's part of the game, but don't try to make this sound like it was Hatton/KT or John Ruiz against anybody. Mosley was superior with both physical and punching power. He backed up Tony, in the clinch AND out of the clinch, which is something nobody else has done. Tony was outboxed, outpunched, outmuscled, and given a boxing lesson worse than the one Hopkins gave Pavlik.

Cotto didn't fight a bad fight. Tony was a stylistic nightmare for Cotto. If I recall, you and I were some of the few of the people preaching that idea before the fight. Cotto doesn't have Mosley's physical strength or power, but he has the kind of jab that is kryptonite to Mosley. End of story. Mosley gave Tony a boxing lesson.

I agrre Mosely boxed great, but also agree with Taeth that the clinch was a factor, may not have been THE deciding factor but helped Shane a lot. He'd land a combination, but rather than taking punishment like Cotto did he held at SOME occasions while using footwork and the jab on other occasions.

Yes, it was a factor, but to say that without the clinch Mosley would have lost is insane. He's was making it sound like it was a Ruiz fight or Hatton at his worst. I would say there was less clinching than the average Hopkins fight, but I think that it's no accident that Hopkins trainer had Shane using clinches effectively from time to time as part of the gameplan. Also, he basically said that Mosley's only defense was to clinch, which is completely wrong. Mosley was making miss him all the time and was picking of punches left and right with his gloves. The clinches were one part of a complete, excellent game plan.

Taeth had one good point - the clinch is important. It is. Agreed.

But the story of the fight was not the clinch, and in fact, Tony did his share of clinching, too. Everything else in his post was wrong. Taeth just hates Mosley and he's nitpicking a brilliant performance. So deserves to have an animated monkey piss on him. I think we can all agree on that one :0

[Chino]

I don't get that. Margarito beat Cotto and just because of that win he was considered "Indestructable"? If someone deserves to be called "Indestructable" that would be Floyd Mayweather Jr. Like him or not, HE IS indestructable so far. One or two questionable desicions but Nobody ever has damaged his face, hurt him, exposed him, etc.

[ross]

I gotta admit I was well wrong on Mosely, he did very well!!

This, in my eyes puts a better light on where Mayorga is at right now as well.

Mayorga did a hell of a lot better against Shane than Margarito and it would be nice spectacle (if Mayrga gets past Angulo) if Ricardo and Antonio fight, although I dont see Antonio fighting anyone with a big overhand right for while now

[kingfrnk]

I don't get that. Margarito beat Cotto and just because of that win he was considered "Indestructable"? If someone deserves to be called "Indestructable" that would be Floyd Mayweather Jr. Like him or not, HE IS indestructable so far. One or two questionable desicions but Nobody ever has damaged his face, hurt him, exposed him, etc.

I dont think u get it. Margarito was called indestructable because he takes a hell of a shot and goes no where thats "indestructable". Floyd is more like untouchable or unbeatable.

[ross]

Floyd relies on people being dumb, when he leans back.

If Hatton didnt fight as stupid as he did he would have had a brilliant shot, he is quick and used to put punches together well, he tried just being the stronger man, if hed have used his punches and not tried just barging around hed have at least got to the final bell.

Oscar showed it a little, by keeping pumping out the punches while Floyd leans back, forcing Floyd to either back up or open up, anyone who is hesitant will do poorly against Floyd, they need to press and keep working, dont give him any space or time.

If Calzaghe was in Floyds weight, could you imagine Floyd trying to lean back on the ropes? Hed be peppered to fuck!!

Im not sure Shane can bring the output needed to take Floyd, Cotto is too methodical, Hatton could still do alot better but he hasnt shown it yet, pacquiao would give Floyd a headache with his southpaw style and work ethic.

[Spicoli]

No man is indestructible.The thing about having a hard chin is always having to show it and prove it.Sort of a last line of defense.Even a tiger can kill an elephant....a death of many,many blows .Besides.....I think Mosley's killer bodysots set the table early on,Tony felt them!!Great job Champion.My boots are not tasting so good right now