Some of You Guys take away from the sport...

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People are only dissing on Antonio Margarito because of the hand wrap controversy. Which seems to be true because one of the commisions there said it was, we have to wait for 100 percent proof.

But it looks likely so i think its perfectly understandable for people to be upset, i know i am considering i rooted for Antonio Margarito in the past. And have been following him for years, i consider that too be one of the worst acts you can do in boxing.

Because not only are you showing you will do anything to win, its also showing you don't care if you seriously hurt or destroy a fighters career. Just to get to the top, i will never ever look at Antonio Margarito in the same light again if its true.

As for ODLH well come on i don't think anyone question's his legacy, but in the last few years he's been bad for boxing and he's been picking on smaller fighters. It was nice to see his plan go down the toilet and get a bit of beating, so he can retire and stop destroying his legacy, when he actually cared about boxing and not just the money.

I didn't see anyone kick Joel Casamayor when he was down, some people actually made excuses for him saying he was way past his best. And that he fought a great fight and was even with Juan Manuel Marquez all the way, i never see any bad comments degrading Joel Casamayor what so ever.

Just because a few people are going over the top, doesn't mean anything you always get that and its expected. No offense i know what your getting at, but i think your going a bit over the top yourself with this thread.

Nothing that bad has happened and if the hand wrap issue is found true its a black eye for boxing and ruins Antonio Margarito totally, and if it's not found true then it just makes some people look stupid and its good for boxing. I think he for certain had his wraps tampered with, but im going to wait for 100 percent proof before i go any further on the matter.

Just focusing on the money point, I suppose you might be right, but I really kinda think you have it backwards. I mean, he's so filthy rich now, he hardly needs the dough, he just fights because he loves to fight, whereas before when he was actually fighting the good fight, the money probably mattered a lot more.

I disagree of course he was fighting for money in his early career, like every fighter does but he was also fighting for legacy/respect he wanted the Mexican fans. To love him like they did JCC, he cared what the fans thought about him.

The names on his record are incredible when he actually cared about boxing, now he just doesn't care and he doesn't love the sport like he used to.

He only fights for money now nothing else not legacy, not for the love of the sport nothing. Just look at the Manny Pacquiao fight for example, he had no fire in his belly what so ever. And theres no way a hungry/prime ODLH would of ever quit on his stool.

OK mon, so you disagree. I figured you would. Surprise surprise. DLH only cares about making more money then. And he doesn't really care about the fight. I won't even bring up the health aspect. Whatever.

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Just focusing on the money point, I suppose you might be right, but I really kinda think you have it backwards. I mean, he's so filthy rich now, he hardly needs the dough, he just fights because he loves to fight, whereas before when he was actually fighting the good fight, the money probably mattered a lot more.

I disagree of course he was fighting for money in his early career, like every fighter does but he was also fighting for legacy/respect he wanted the Mexican fans. To love him like they did JCC, he cared what the fans thought about him.

The names on his record are incredible when he actually cared about boxing, now he just doesn't care and he doesn't love the sport like he used to.

He only fights for money now nothing else not legacy, not for the love of the sport nothing. Just look at the Manny Pacquiao fight for example, he had no fire in his belly what so ever. And theres no way a hungry/prime ODLH would of ever quit on his stool.

OK mon, so you disagree. I figured you would. Surprise surprise. DLH only cares about making more money then. And he doesn't really care about the fight. I won't even bring up the health aspect. Whatever.

What do you mean suprise/suprise when have you ever seen me degrade ODLH ? im actually the one that normally defends him but i can't see how you can disagree with my comments.

It's pretty obvious he doesn't love the sport anymore especially when he quit on his stool, and he doesn't care about his legacy anymore. And he doesn't have any fire in his belly anymore, he's been picking on smaller fighters and thats why people have disliked him in the last few years. And thats why people were happy he lost, because he chose the wrong little fighter to pick on.

I don't really know why your bringing up the health aspect, i don't see what thats got to do with ODLH not loving the sport anymore and not caring about his legacy lately and ETC.

I respect him as a fighter for what he done for the sport on his past achievements. I certainly haven't respected him as a fighter in the last few years, and many fans will agree with me.

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I disagree of course he was fighting for money in his early career, like every fighter does but he was also fighting for legacy/respect he wanted the Mexican fans. To love him like they did JCC, he cared what the fans thought about him.

The names on his record are incredible when he actually cared about boxing, now he just doesn't care and he doesn't love the sport like he used to.

He only fights for money now nothing else not legacy, not for the love of the sport nothing. Just look at the Manny Pacquiao fight for example, he had no fire in his belly what so ever. And theres no way a hungry/prime ODLH would of ever quit on his stool.

OK mon, so you disagree. I figured you would. Surprise surprise. DLH only cares about making more money then. And he doesn't really care about the fight. I won't even bring up the health aspect. Whatever.

What do you mean suprise/suprise when have you ever seen me degrade ODLH ? im actually the one that normally defends him but i can't see how you can disagree with my comments.

It's pretty obvious he doesn't love the sport anymore especially when he quit on his stool, and he doesn't care about his legacy anymore. And he doesn't have any fire in his belly anymore, he's been picking on smaller fighters and thats why people have disliked him in the last few years. And thats why people were happy he lost, because he chose the wrong little fighter to pick on.

I don't really know why your bringing up the health aspect, i don't see what thats got to do with ODLH not loving the sport anymore and not caring about his legacy lately and ETC.

I respect him as a fighter for what he done for the sport on his past achievements. I certainly haven't respected him as a fighter in the last few years, and many fans will agree with me.

Surprise surprise is sarcasm. And you sure are degrading DLH now.

OK mon, if you say so. DLH doesn't love the sport , and cares nothing for his legacy. Whatever you say. HInt: that is sarcasm too.

I'd say the health aspect just might have something to do with the joint decision, not to go back into the ring against PAC, and not evidence of his lack of love for the sport, but I suppose you will argue against that too.

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OK mon, so you disagree. I figured you would. Surprise surprise. DLH only cares about making more money then. And he doesn't really care about the fight. I won't even bring up the health aspect. Whatever.

What do you mean suprise/suprise when have you ever seen me degrade ODLH ? im actually the one that normally defends him but i can't see how you can disagree with my comments.

It's pretty obvious he doesn't love the sport anymore especially when he quit on his stool, and he doesn't care about his legacy anymore. And he doesn't have any fire in his belly anymore, he's been picking on smaller fighters and thats why people have disliked him in the last few years. And thats why people were happy he lost, because he chose the wrong little fighter to pick on.

I don't really know why your bringing up the health aspect, i don't see what thats got to do with ODLH not loving the sport anymore and not caring about his legacy lately and ETC.

I respect him as a fighter for what he done for the sport on his past achievements. I certainly haven't respected him as a fighter in the last few years, and many fans will agree with me.

Surprise surprise is sarcasm. And you sure are degrading DLH now.

OK mon, if you say so. DLH doesn't love the sport , and cares nothing for his legacy. Whatever you say. HInt: that is sarcasm too.

I'd say the health aspect just might have something to do with the joint decision, not to go back into the ring against PAC, and not evidence of his lack of love for the sport, but I suppose you will argue against that too.

Whats with all the sarcasm

All i said was he doesn't care for the sport anymore or his legacy, im not degrading him. I can assure you if i was gonna degrade ODLH you would know about it, i thought i was pretty fair with my comments

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What do you mean suprise/suprise when have you ever seen me degrade ODLH ? im actually the one that normally defends him but i can't see how you can disagree with my comments.

It's pretty obvious he doesn't love the sport anymore especially when he quit on his stool, and he doesn't care about his legacy anymore. And he doesn't have any fire in his belly anymore, he's been picking on smaller fighters and thats why people have disliked him in the last few years. And thats why people were happy he lost, because he chose the wrong little fighter to pick on.

I don't really know why your bringing up the health aspect, i don't see what thats got to do with ODLH not loving the sport anymore and not caring about his legacy lately and ETC.

I respect him as a fighter for what he done for the sport on his past achievements. I certainly haven't respected him as a fighter in the last few years, and many fans will agree with me.

Surprise surprise is sarcasm. And you sure are degrading DLH now.

OK mon, if you say so. DLH doesn't love the sport , and cares nothing for his legacy. Whatever you say. HInt: that is sarcasm too.

I'd say the health aspect just might have something to do with the joint decision, not to go back into the ring against PAC, and not evidence of his lack of love for the sport, but I suppose you will argue against that too.

Whats with all the sarcasm

All i said was he doesn't care for the sport anymore or his legacy, im not degrading him. I can assure you if i was gonna degrade ODLH you would know about it, i thought i was pretty fair with my comments

Frankly I'm a little surprised at your point of view on this. I figured you as a guy who is so much in tune with the sport would give a guy like DLH a little more credit. Where I come from, to say a guy like DLH doesn't care for the sport or his legacy, or he only cares about the money, is somewhat degrading, not to mention illogical. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

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I agree that one loss does not make a fighter overrated or a fraud. Margarito has beaten Cotto and Cintron because hes a good fighter, not because the guys he beat underperformed or had a off night. Oscar has been boxing his whole life from being an amateur champion to a World Champion on many different occasions against the best in he world. Now that hes on his way down and lost a fight, people say 'well he was just never that good.' It is unfair, and those naysayers are usually people who always suport the fighter of the hour, but when he starts to fade their on to the next superstar of the moment.

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Thread title amended - Looked very 'ESB' when opening the main page and seeing that

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I agree that one loss does not make a fighter overrated or a fraud. Margarito has beaten Cotto and Cintron because hes a good fighter, not because the guys he beat underperformed or had a off night. Oscar has been boxing his whole life from being an amateur champion to a World Champion on many different occasions against the best in he world. Now that hes on his way down and lost a fight, people say 'well he was just never that good.' It is unfair, and those naysayers are usually people who always suport the fighter of the hour, but when he starts to fade their on to the next superstar of the moment.

I agree with every word of this. Anyone who says ODH was "never that good" or anything to that effect does not know jack shit about boxing. The same goes for Margarito, though obviously he's not on ODH's level (not that many are, there is no shame in that).

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Well at least the true Margarito fans are being seperated from the bandwagon jumpers. Margarito should bounce back , take a little lesson from the loss, learn how to use his height and reach and not depend on being stronger physically. He just need to sharpen his skills because it's not pretty boxing. One thing he has horrible balance and is flat footed, he can improve alot of things IMO.