So many so called PBF supporters have short memories

[RozzySean]

i think between JT rock, ICB, TM and myself among others that this guy has handily gotten rocked in this thread.

it's just funny how he speaks of the "old members" vouching for him, when it's the old members calling him an idiot.

See: delusional

When i said vouch for me i meant in the fact that I ve been saying since joining this forum that shane has the best chance to beat floyd and that any other fighter between 140 147 pbf would beat easily. shane is the only one that give him a serious test.

And most of the old members also thought that hatton would beat floyd...when i said floyd would easily beat him even before they fought. then before the fight came on here and picked floyd in 10....the same way most of the old members were screaming about margarito when i called him a bum that hadn't proven anything..then pick williams to beat him. and said that floyd would make him look like corrales.

And i'm only stating this about shane again, because just four years ago, when i said shane is the only that beat him (pbf) it still stands. evidenced by shane nearly beating cotto, and destroying who for a long time was this forums "he'll beat floyd guy" margarito. Guranteed if floyd signs to fight shane it will be one of the best fights in history and shane could very well kayo floyd or stop him late. And say this too since people get sensitive about these guys like they're being paid by them to be yes men...

Just because I say "SHANE HAS THE BEST SHOT, AND CAN POSSIBLY BEAT FLOYD, DOESN"T MEAN FLOYD CAN"T BEAT HIM",

i'm simply stating that in terms of mental ability, skills, and power. shane will be the best floyd has ever faced and vice versa. But i still would bet on shane....but would'nt be disappointed if either of them lost. can the PBF nut huggers say the same? I doubt it....

I love that you are defending Shane, and I'm 95% with you, but you gotta keep a little perspective. Taeth, once in a while, makes a good, intelligent point, and even though I said in another thread that Shane has the best chance to beat Floyd, that's a matter really up for debate. From a matchup point of view, Pac is actually the better bet because he's a southpaw with a great straight right and amazing speed. Mayweather/Pac is an awesome matchup to consider.

I've spend a lot of time arguing for Shane having a good chance against Floyd, but that good chance depends on Nazim come up with a plan that will allow Shane to maximize his advantages and take Floyd out of his game. It also depends to some degree on Floyd's willingness to follow the blueprint that has been laid out to beat Mosley...disrupt him with hard jabs. That's not how Floyd has been fighting recently, but in the past he has used the jab effectively. PBF has shown an amazing ability to adapt, and Shane hasn't. That being said, I've haven't seen Shane do much anything different since I've been watching him, and this weekend, he used the jab more, he was more elusive, and he used the clinch effectively. He was a smarter fighter, and maybe the change in trainer can have big effect.

For Shane to beat Floyd, he's going to need a plan that will allow him to land consistently AND avoid getting strafed by counters. He's going to need to fight differently than he has most of his career, and if Floyd can resurrect his best jab and really commit to it, I don't know if Mosley would be able to win anyway, but I also don't know if Floyd throwing crisp, snappy up-jabs from the shell will have the same effect on Mosley as Forrest, Winky, and Cotto throwing hard jabs from a conventional hand position. Even so, Floyd might be so good that he can beat Shane without the jab. This is Floyd Mayweather we're talking about.

I wouldn't favor Shane, but I can him winning. So if you put down $$$, you better be getting better than even money. Floyd is the favorite, no question. If the odds are 2 to 1, I'll think about laying a few bucks on Mosley. If the odds are 4 to 1, I'll be putting down a chunk of cash on him.

[JonesJrMayweather]

i think between JT rock, ICB, TM and myself among others that this guy has handily gotten rocked in this thread.

it's just funny how he speaks of the "old members" vouching for him, when it's the old members calling him an idiot.

See: delusional

When i said vouch for me i meant in the fact that I ve been saying since joining this forum that shane has the best chance to beat floyd and that any other fighter between 140 147 pbf would beat easily. shane is the only one that give him a serious test.

And most of the old members also thought that hatton would beat floyd...when i said floyd would easily beat him even before they fought. then before the fight came on here and picked floyd in 10....the same way most of the old members were screaming about margarito when i called him a bum that hadn't proven anything..then pick williams to beat him. and said that floyd would make him look like corrales.

And i'm only stating this about shane again, because just four years ago, when i said shane is the only that beat him (pbf) it still stands. evidenced by shane nearly beating cotto, and destroying who for a long time was this forums "he'll beat floyd guy" margarito. Guranteed if floyd signs to fight shane it will be one of the best fights in history and shane could very well kayo floyd or stop him late. And say this too since people get sensitive about these guys like they're being paid by them to be yes men...

Just because I say "SHANE HAS THE BEST SHOT, AND CAN POSSIBLY BEAT FLOYD, DOESN"T MEAN FLOYD CAN"T BEAT HIM",

i'm simply stating that in terms of mental ability, skills, and power. shane will be the best floyd has ever faced and vice versa. But i still would bet on shane....but would'nt be disappointed if either of them lost. can the PBF nut huggers say the same? I doubt it....

I love that you are defending Shane, and I'm 95% with you, but you gotta keep a little perspective. Taeth, once in a while, makes a good, intelligent point, and even though I said in another thread that Shane has the best chance to beat Floyd, that's a matter really up for debate. From a matchup point of view, Pac is actually the better bet because he's a southpaw with a great straight right and amazing speed. Mayweather/Pac is an awesome matchup to consider.

I've spend a lot of time arguing for Shane having a good chance against Floyd, but that good chance depends on Nazim come up with a plan that will allow Shane to maximize his advantages and take Floyd out of his game. It also depends to some degree on Floyd's willingness to follow the blueprint that has been laid out to beat Mosley...disrupt him with hard jabs. That's not how Floyd has been fighting recently, but in the past he has used the jab effectively. PBF has shown an amazing ability to adapt, and Shane hasn't. That being said, I've haven't seen Shane do much anything different since I've been watching him, and this weekend, he used the jab more, he was more elusive, and he used the clinch effectively. He was a smarter fighter, and maybe the change in trainer can have big effect.

For Shane to beat Floyd, he's going to need a plan that will allow him to land consistently AND avoid getting strafed by counters. He's going to need to fight differently than he has most of his career, and if Floyd can resurrect his best jab and really commit to it, I don't know if Mosley would be able to win anyway, but I also don't know if Floyd throwing crisp, snappy up-jabs from the shell will have the same effect on Mosley as Forrest, Winky, and Cotto throwing hard jabs from a conventional hand position. Even so, Floyd might be so good that he can beat Shane without the jab. This is Floyd Mayweather we're talking about.

I wouldn't favor Shane, but I can him winning. So if you put down $$$, you better be getting better than even money. Floyd is the favorite, no question. If the odds are 2 to 1, I'll think about laying a few bucks on Mosley. If the odds are 4 to 1, I'll be putting down a chunk of cash on him.

Man i think while pac is good he stands about as much of chance as beating floyd as hatton. He's too severely under schooled and floyd would stop him.

that fight is a star seller. But I think mosely makes for a better fight. and would do more for the winner in terms of legacy than either of them destroying manny. Manny has never seen the likes of a slick boxer like floyd. And has never felt the power of a boxer/puncher like shane either one of them stops him. Shane early, floyd late.

And personally i think hatton will beat him.

[JT Rock]

I think it was the 9th at 10th rounds with Hatton he through a beautiful sequence of Jabs that were picture perfect.. So when he has to he can still throw it..

I think he is so fast he can lead with power punches (Left Hook/Straight Right) instead of setting it up with the jab, even though he has a excellent one

[winscomeez]

Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

The thing is he won all those fights,and look at all the times he hurt Corley,and dropped him also.

[winscomeez]

When i said vouch for me i meant in the fact that I ve been saying since joining this forum that shane has the best chance to beat floyd and that any other fighter between 140 147 pbf would beat easily. shane is the only one that give him a serious test.

And most of the old members also thought that hatton would beat floyd...when i said floyd would easily beat him even before they fought. then before the fight came on here and picked floyd in 10....the same way most of the old members were screaming about margarito when i called him a bum that hadn't proven anything..then pick williams to beat him. and said that floyd would make him look like corrales.

And i'm only stating this about shane again, because just four years ago, when i said shane is the only that beat him (pbf) it still stands. evidenced by shane nearly beating cotto, and destroying who for a long time was this forums "he'll beat floyd guy" margarito. Guranteed if floyd signs to fight shane it will be one of the best fights in history and shane could very well kayo floyd or stop him late. And say this too since people get sensitive about these guys like they're being paid by them to be yes men...

Just because I say "SHANE HAS THE BEST SHOT, AND CAN POSSIBLY BEAT FLOYD, DOESN"T MEAN FLOYD CAN"T BEAT HIM",

i'm simply stating that in terms of mental ability, skills, and power. shane will be the best floyd has ever faced and vice versa. But i still would bet on shane....but would'nt be disappointed if either of them lost. can the PBF nut huggers say the same? I doubt it....

I don't think you realize exactly how stupid you're acting. So you speculated something 4 years ago, to this day Floyd and SSM have not fought. If he beat him, then go back and show us the post, it's useless right now. You have not accomplished anything you fool. What are you so proud of?

You're purely speculating saying that Shane has the best chance. This is your opinion, and you're failing at providing evidence making these ridiculous posts.

You're delusional. I'm not saying that Shane doesn't have a chance, i'm just saying that your method of trying to convince someone that he will win for the reasons you gave are just absolutely so out there.

In your mind you consider Floyd fans nut-huggers because you're so used to being one. I'm simply a fan of Floyd's skills and don't see anyone out there who can beat him.. simply because of his dominance over his opponents and his ability to adapt. Am i open to a debate over someone pleading their case for shane? Absolutely. But not your stupid posts about Shane breaking his ribs cause he's so strong and fast and god-like. idiot.

you obviously can't understand english...

If I say "floyd uses the philly shell standing infront of mosely, mosley will break his ribs because of the numerous well placed body shots he will absorb" that giving a reason why shane has a good shot.

If I say "floyd has never fought a fighter with overall package of shane and floyd will have to fight his best fight, meaning everything he's shown and then some" That's another reason why shane poses the biggest threat.

If i say "floyd will more than likely wear the soft gloves to protect his hands so his punches won't have as much affect on shane who already is a fighter that has been hit by guys that hit much harder than floyd" Another reason why shane has the best shot.

If I say "now that shane has re-invented his jab, and has a longer reach than floyd" another reason why he could beat floyd.

It seems that youre the one who thinks floyd is god-like, and he is not light years ahead of his era...true dominant p4p fighters like sweet pea, chavez, RJJ, and shane..all dominated with skill and power. These are facts. Floyd hasn't looked like a complete fighter since he beat corralles. the rest was just him realizing that he doesn't have to move because the guys he faced arent that quick, and in the case of judah where he was quick wasn't that smart.

And if i have to point out to you that when i said shane would break his ribs you took that to mean "shane has dragon ball strength" then you obviously think of fights in terms of one round. Over 12 or even 6 where floyd likes to sit in the pocket during the second half of the fight. Shane would beat the hell out of his body. result...broken ribs.

Shane can not and would not break anything.People forget how hard the guy is to hit.

[albsur2006]

I think it was the 9th at 10th rounds with Hatton he through a beautiful sequence of Jabs that were picture perfect.. So when he has to he can still throw it..

I think he is so fast he can lead with power punches (Left Hook/Straight Right) instead of setting it up with the jab, even though he has a excellent one

Yeah, it was the ninth round, and those were the type of P4P Jabs I was talking about earlier. Floyd has a great jab, better than Mosley's, when he uses it. Mosley basically has little head movement and is flat footed for the most part now. JonesJr can talk about all this stuff, he can talk about Mosley "breaking Floyd's ribs", which is absolutely idiotic; but I'm looking at the style of fighter Shane is when I compare the two. I see Shane being competitive but not being able to land as much as Jones Jr thinks he will. Floyd simply won't get hit a lot. It's not because of the competition he faced so far in his career, it's because of his style, talent and defense. There's a reason why great offensive fighters get in there with Floyd and aren't able to land ANYTHING significant and only land around 20% of their punches. It's because he confuses them with footwork/head movement and upper body speed, he dodges and blocks A LOT of punches, and he's probably the best counterpuncher in boxing. All those talents are HEAVILY underestimated. They aren't talents that are simple to see and understand like, for example, having blazing fast hands or KO power or something like that. Floyd has talents that make landing a clean shot on Floyd confusing and frustrating. And while his opponents are frustrated figuring out a way to find Floyd, he's counterpunching, resting, and focusing on his offense. JonesJr, it's easy to look at Shane who just knocked out Margarito and say he's a bad man. Shane IS a bad man. But Shane will have to get in there and find Floyd for 12 Rounds and he's got no head movement, he's flat footed for the most part, and has a lack of upper body movement at this point in his career. Plus, he gets square a lot of times now. He should have problems most of the night launching an offensive attack. You're thinking that Shane has fast hands and is a bigger/stronger man than Floyd and has a great chin so he should walk through Floyd. But if the fight ever happens, you'll see what I'm talking about.

[RP33]

I don't think you realize exactly how stupid you're acting. So you speculated something 4 years ago, to this day Floyd and SSM have not fought. If he beat him, then go back and show us the post, it's useless right now. You have not accomplished anything you fool. What are you so proud of?

You're purely speculating saying that Shane has the best chance. This is your opinion, and you're failing at providing evidence making these ridiculous posts.

You're delusional. I'm not saying that Shane doesn't have a chance, i'm just saying that your method of trying to convince someone that he will win for the reasons you gave are just absolutely so out there.

In your mind you consider Floyd fans nut-huggers because you're so used to being one. I'm simply a fan of Floyd's skills and don't see anyone out there who can beat him.. simply because of his dominance over his opponents and his ability to adapt. Am i open to a debate over someone pleading their case for shane? Absolutely. But not your stupid posts about Shane breaking his ribs cause he's so strong and fast and god-like. idiot.

you obviously can't understand english...

If I say "floyd uses the philly shell standing infront of mosely, mosley will break his ribs because of the numerous well placed body shots he will absorb" that giving a reason why shane has a good shot.

If I say "floyd has never fought a fighter with overall package of shane and floyd will have to fight his best fight, meaning everything he's shown and then some" That's another reason why shane poses the biggest threat.

If i say "floyd will more than likely wear the soft gloves to protect his hands so his punches won't have as much affect on shane who already is a fighter that has been hit by guys that hit much harder than floyd" Another reason why shane has the best shot.

If I say "now that shane has re-invented his jab, and has a longer reach than floyd" another reason why he could beat floyd.

It seems that youre the one who thinks floyd is god-like, and he is not light years ahead of his era...true dominant p4p fighters like sweet pea, chavez, RJJ, and shane..all dominated with skill and power. These are facts. Floyd hasn't looked like a complete fighter since he beat corralles. the rest was just him realizing that he doesn't have to move because the guys he faced arent that quick, and in the case of judah where he was quick wasn't that smart.

And if i have to point out to you that when i said shane would break his ribs you took that to mean "shane has dragon ball strength" then you obviously think of fights in terms of one round. Over 12 or even 6 where floyd likes to sit in the pocket during the second half of the fight. Shane would beat the hell out of his body. result...broken ribs.

Shane can not and would not break anything.People forget how hard the guy is to hit.

THANK YOU.. JonesJr, my point is that if you're counting on Shane landing THAT often to the body to break Mayweathers ribs then you're having very very high hopes. I don't think he is god-like, i've just seen him fight a whole lot, and i've seen shane fight a whole lot, and i strongly disagree, amongst many others on this thread, on your over-exaggeration on the things that shane "could" do to floyd.

Regardless what type of gloves floyd wears, his shots are so accurate and crisp that they will have an effect. The effect that he's looking for isn't a one punch KO, or anything like that, so i don't even know why you're talking about his gloves.. Floyd isn't a KO guy. His KO's come from repeated punishment, and regardless of what gloves he wears, if he is connecting they will have his desired effect.

[JonesJrMayweather]

you obviously can't understand english...

If I say "floyd uses the philly shell standing infront of mosely, mosley will break his ribs because of the numerous well placed body shots he will absorb" that giving a reason why shane has a good shot.

If I say "floyd has never fought a fighter with overall package of shane and floyd will have to fight his best fight, meaning everything he's shown and then some" That's another reason why shane poses the biggest threat.

If i say "floyd will more than likely wear the soft gloves to protect his hands so his punches won't have as much affect on shane who already is a fighter that has been hit by guys that hit much harder than floyd" Another reason why shane has the best shot.

If I say "now that shane has re-invented his jab, and has a longer reach than floyd" another reason why he could beat floyd.

It seems that youre the one who thinks floyd is god-like, and he is not light years ahead of his era...true dominant p4p fighters like sweet pea, chavez, RJJ, and shane..all dominated with skill and power. These are facts. Floyd hasn't looked like a complete fighter since he beat corralles. the rest was just him realizing that he doesn't have to move because the guys he faced arent that quick, and in the case of judah where he was quick wasn't that smart.

And if i have to point out to you that when i said shane would break his ribs you took that to mean "shane has dragon ball strength" then you obviously think of fights in terms of one round. Over 12 or even 6 where floyd likes to sit in the pocket during the second half of the fight. Shane would beat the hell out of his body. result...broken ribs.

Shane can not and would not break anything.People forget how hard the guy is to hit.

THANK YOU.. JonesJr, my point is that if you're counting on Shane landing THAT often to the body to break Mayweathers ribs then you're having very very high hopes. I don't think he is god-like, i've just seen him fight a whole lot, and i've seen shane fight a whole lot, and i strongly disagree, amongst many others on this thread, on your over-exaggeration on the things that shane "could" do to floyd.

Regardless what type of gloves floyd wears, his shots are so accurate and crisp that they will have an effect. The effect that he's looking for isn't a one punch KO, or anything like that, so i don't even know why you're talking about his gloves.. Floyd isn't a KO guy. His KO's come from repeated punishment, and regardless of what gloves he wears, if he is connecting they will have his desired effect.

Look nobody on here has to tell me how good floyd's defense is, or about how technically sound he is. I know i know i know. And don't get it twisted I'm rooting against mayweather I'm just objectively breaking down the things I see shane will be able to exploit. Shane at 147 is quick enough to land on floyd from the outside. And shane is just as accurate as floyd. I mentioned his gloves because his hands are brittle and if he wears the "winning" gloves they are soft and he will need to at least to stun shane which i dont see him doing. And while alot of people ive read on here are just now seeing how good floyd is, ive said it since day one. But just because I respect his skill doesn't mean i can't see his flaws. He is a victim of his on success and i thought his best fight was against corralles. He hasn't moved like that since that fight. Floyd will be hit against shane. I just hope it happens before time catches up to shane.

[JonesJrMayweather]

i meant not rooting against

[winscomeez]

Ice,I cant see him fighting again,he has his money,he has his legacy,and he never really seemed that in to it in the first place

WTF "never seemed into it" The guy devoted most of his life to developing his craft,a gym rat and superb condition proves he was into it!