In case Margo wasnt trying to cheat...

[Onix]

I am neither saying that Tony is innocent or guilty, none of us know more than the facts that have presented via the media, so we cannot make a case either way...

BUT, If everything was legit in Margo's camp and the accusation of this "substance" was simply a ploy by Nazim Richardson (how has been the only trainer in recent history to call someone else out on this very thing) to shake up Tony moments before his fight, then I see that tactic just as dispacable as if Tony was actually using the substance. You don't threaten a mans living and freedom for that matter to give your guy an edge. Intimdate him press time or in the ring, but not this way.

With this that I am not saying that a focused Tony would have won, but I saw a man who was not focused and didnt fight his normal fight, whether that would have led him to a victory will never be known and in all honesty maybe it wouldnt have, but he should not have had this over his head.

[hackey]

Hi,

I'm really not trying to be rude, but I can't decipher what you are trying to say

[Onix]

Hi,

I'm really not trying to be rude, but I can't decipher what you are trying to say

Edited the post for a little more clarification

[Mar]

I like tony but the man got his ass whoooped plain a simple. Shit anyone looks unlike thier normal self after nine rounds of that stuff. Look mind games threats etc..all are fair game in this sport or we'd just keep them locked up like a jury before a fight and release them jet lee unleased style. If naseem came up with the plan good for him. Shit if i could use out of the ring tactics to win a belt less work in the ring for me. Tony lost the only excuses this guy needs are the one's he going to need to use to explain why anything illegal was in his gloves, i doubt they pulled this claim out of thin air. Allegedly they both cheat...the ring ratings and belts don't care......every poor performance isn't always caused because the playing field wasn't fair

[AdamGB]

I wouldn't read too much into it... if he was trying to unsettle Tony then I'm sure all he did was make Tony think 'they're worried about how heavy my shots are, I have them scared'.

You need that frame of mind anyway to be sucsessful.

That's not why Tony lost.

[Onix]

I like tony but the man got his ass whoooped plain a simple. Shit anyone looks unlike thier normal self after nine rounds of that stuff. Look mind games threats etc..all are fair game in this sport or we'd just keep them locked up like a jury before a fight and release them jet lee unleased style. If naseem came up with the plan good for him. Shit if i could use out of the ring tactics to win a belt less work in the ring for me. Tony lost the only excuses this guy needs are the one's he going to need to use to explain why anything illegal was in his gloves, i doubt they pulled this claim out of thin air. Allegedly they both cheat...the ring ratings and belts don't care...

I dont argue that he got rocked, I was there in person to witness the hanging! But from the get go he had nothing, you cant tell me that the opening punch thrown by Shane made Tony not want to throw his normal amount of punches, he was out of it from the beginning.
If he cheated then fine let him suffer the punishment that he gets and I will not complain at all.

As far as pre-fight tactics are concerned they are fine, i dont care if you talk about a guys wife, or how you are going to kill him, end his career, put him in a wheelchair, etc... but when you accuse him of something like this that could put him in jail or ban him from fighting in California which would only be the start of the bans, I think that is too far.

[blegit]

I like tony but the man got his ass whoooped plain a simple. Shit anyone looks unlike thier normal self after nine rounds of that stuff. Look mind games threats etc..all are fair game in this sport or we'd just keep them locked up like a jury before a fight and release them jet lee unleased style. If naseem came up with the plan good for him. Shit if i could use out of the ring tactics to win a belt less work in the ring for me. Tony lost the only excuses this guy needs are the one's he going to need to use to explain why anything illegal was in his gloves, i doubt they pulled this claim out of thin air. Allegedly they both cheat...the ring ratings and belts don't care...

I dont argue that he got rocked, I was there in person to witness the hanging! But from the get go he had nothing, you cant tell me that the opening punch thrown by Shane made Tony not want to throw his normal amount of punches, he was out of it from the beginning.
If he cheated then fine let him suffer the punishment that he gets and I will not complain at all.

As far as pre-fight tactics are concerned they are fine, i dont care if you talk about a guys wife, or how you are going to kill him, end his career, put him in a wheelchair, etc... but when you accuse him of something like this that could put him in jail or ban him from fighting in California which would only be the start of the ban, I think that is too far.

I don't know why everyone acts like Margarito is being accused of something he may not have done. The Commission have the objects in their possession and they described it as plaster. A representative of the Commission was there to witness the unwrapping of his hands and so was a doctor. They both stated they saw the object fall from his wraps as he the wraps were cut and undone. He was caught red handed. Everyone gets an investigation no matter how red handed you are caught. It is merely a formality. People need to stop making excuses for Margarito losing and stop looking for a way out of him being a cheater. I use to be a big Margarito fan but I can not stand him now. I boxed many of years and what he did is the worse possible crime in boxing. Fighters get ruined from this. Lastly, the newest thing on this is that Margarito has been suspended indefinitely due to the plaster in his wraps. I suppose someone will still try to minimize it like he didn't cheat or its not as bad as it seems. This is straight disgusting and should never be tolerated in the least bit. If my own brother was caught doing this I would petition him being banned from boxing. It parallels attempted murder as close as you can get in a sport. You're ultimately getting hit with a pad on rocks all night. Disgusting.

[Onix]

I like tony but the man got his ass whoooped plain a simple. Shit anyone looks unlike thier normal self after nine rounds of that stuff. Look mind games threats etc..all are fair game in this sport or we'd just keep them locked up like a jury before a fight and release them jet lee unleased style. If naseem came up with the plan good for him. Shit if i could use out of the ring tactics to win a belt less work in the ring for me. Tony lost the only excuses this guy needs are the one's he going to need to use to explain why anything illegal was in his gloves, i doubt they pulled this claim out of thin air. Allegedly they both cheat...the ring ratings and belts don't care...

I dont argue that he got rocked, I was there in person to witness the hanging! But from the get go he had nothing, you cant tell me that the opening punch thrown by Shane made Tony not want to throw his normal amount of punches, he was out of it from the beginning.
If he cheated then fine let him suffer the punishment that he gets and I will not complain at all.

As far as pre-fight tactics are concerned they are fine, i dont care if you talk about a guys wife, or how you are going to kill him, end his career, put him in a wheelchair, etc... but when you accuse him of something like this that could put him in jail or ban him from fighting in California which would only be the start of the ban, I think that is too far.

I don't know why everyone acts like Margarito is being accused of something he may not have done. The Commission have the objects in their possession and they described it as plaster. A representative of the Commission was there to witness the unwrapping of his hands and so was a doctor. They both stated they saw the object fall from his wraps as he the wraps were cut and undone. He was caught red handed. Everyone gets an investigation no matter how red handed you are caught. It is merely a formality. People need to stop making excuses for Margarito losing and stop looking for a way out of him being a cheater. I use to be a big Margarito fan but I can not stand him now. I boxed many of years and what he did is the worse possible crime in boxing. Fighters get ruined from this. Lastly, the newest thing on this is that Margarito has been suspended indefinitely due to the plaster in his wraps. I suppose someone will still try to minimize it like he didn't cheat or its not as bad as it seems. This is straight disgusting and should never be tolerated in the least bit. If my own brother was caught doing this I would petition him being banned from boxing. It parallels attempted murder as close as you can get in a sport. You're ultimately getting hit with a pad on rocks all night. Disgusting.

I cant argue with you...if you were there, but chances are you were not there so you are only speculating as well. If he's found guilty I will throw the first stone but he's not guilty yet...besides the whole point to the thread is...in case he was'nt trying to cheat.