Plaster Vs. Steriods

[Youngblood]

You aren't helping Margarito out by going after Mosely...if anything it is swaying me and likely others the other way. I kinda have been waiting and watching, ya know..for evidence to be conclusive and so on. But the more I see this kinda deal going down, you or others trying to attack Shane in Margo's defence, it only makes me want to say...You know what, Fuk Margarito. Fuk him for being a dirty bastard and doing the dirtiest cheat in boxing. For loading his gloves in an attempted cheat and maybe even kill his opponent. Fuk him, he probably did it to Cotto and others also. Fuk him for putting a black mark on boxing and hurting it. I hope he not only loses his licence permanantly...but gets charged for it and lands his sorry ass in jail. Jail where he can sit in shame and ponder the day...whilst his legacy and career goes down the drain. Fuk Margarito.

Is that the reply you were looking for?

And if he had is found innocent? look at the black mark thats left on his record regardless.

Sad but true .
It's like those goldigging slutty whores who falsely accuse rich men of rape and when these men are found innocent. These guys' reputation is already damaged FOR EVER. They loose their jobs, friends, etc. While the false accusing bitch prances her way out of the court and looks for another victim to make her rich.

As for Nazim, he has every right to question what's going on in the other corner and if Margarito didn't have anything then let it be.

I'm sorry, but this is a fairly poor analysis IMO.

And this is the court of public opinion. And the point is simple, and especially in my reply. When people like Onix try to attack Mosely in defence of Margo, if causes people like myself to draw a line and make statements one way or another.

So basically, if you can't be objective and just quietly wait for the full truth to come out, then don't biatch about what those who may not feel the same as you...have to say.

In other words, you can't be walking around flapping your lips on the topic, and expect others to be quiet and not express opinion ...just because they don't agree with you.

[Onix]

And if he had is found innocent? look at the black mark thats left on his record regardless.

Sad but true .
It's like those goldigging slutty whores who falsely accuse rich men of rape and when these men are found innocent. These guys' reputation is already damaged FOR EVER. They loose their jobs, friends, etc. While the false accusing bitch prances her way out of the court and looks for another victim to make her rich.

As for Nazim, he has every right to question what's going on in the other corner and if Margarito didn't have anything then let it be.

I'm sorry, but this is a fairly poor analysis IMO.

And this is the court of public opinion. And the point is simple, and especially in my reply. When people like Onix try to attack Mosely in defence of Margo, if causes people like myself to draw a line and make statements one way or another.

So basically, if you can't be objective and just quietly wait for the full truth to come out, then don't biatch about what those who may not feel the same as you...have to say.

In other words, you can't be walking around flapping your lips on the topic, and expect others to be quiet and not express opinion ...just because they don't agree with you.

I welcome your opinion. I never told you to agree with me. I am simply stating mine, the fact that you got all rowdy on me in the other thread is your right so by all means.

I like to debate and argue my points, and trust me I will never insult you for yours.

[Youngblood]

lol all rowdy on you in the thread? I expressed my opinion on Margarito initially. One many don't really want to hear and were complaining about hearing...because face it, we should really wait for facts. And starting an offensive on the potential victim here had it not be caught isn't buying your point of view any points.

Mosely and the steroids...yea, I don't know much about it, but I think he is paying a price for it, in that we are still discussing it, and also that it will always be a part of the legacy of the man. When he is remembered, a person can always jump in and bring it up. But to somehow try to offer Antonio Margarito is innocent because of it? C'mon.

Now lets look at facts. Here is the father of Billy Collin's and his take on the situation. Fact.

Boxer Margarito suspended for illegal hand wrap -- Newsday.com

[Spicoli]

lol all rowdy on you in the thread? I expressed my opinion on Margarito initially. One many don't really want to hear and were complaining about hearing...because face it, we should really wait for facts. And starting an offensive on the potential victim here had it not be caught isn't buying your point of view any points.

Mosely and the steroids...yea, I don't know much about it, but I think he is paying a price for it, in that we are still discussing it, and also that it will always be a part of the legacy of the man. When he is remembered, a person can always jump in and bring it up. But to somehow try to offer Antonio Margarito is innocent because of it? C'mon.

Now lets look at facts. Here is the father of Billy Collin's and his take on the situation. Fact.

Boxer Margarito suspended for illegal hand wrap -- Newsday.com

You can NOT compare the obvious and undeniables fact that the majority of padding was removed from a pair of gloves...resulting in a death to a still under investigation and as of yet fully disclosed finding of questionable material,.....Come on?Broad brush falls on both sides friend .I do agree though that you can not hope to enhance a guy,or justify the situation.....by tearing down someone else.This situation does not have a thing to do with Mosley,Tony and camp have to shoulder the findings and Mosley deserves full credit for a class fight/victory.Period.You said it yourself...we should wait for the facts?.

[Youngblood]

Yes Spicoli, I agree we should. This poster went on an offensive towards Mosely in a number of threads and it got under my skin. Offering Collins dad's POV is a fact though...whether it is true that Margo actually did anything or not.

When I started the "Margarito caught cheating" thread...I did that about the 4th round into the fight, and frankly had never heard of such a thing and was trying to see what people knew on it...both current situation and history. And so it began to snowball.

I will go back into waiting for definitive proof. My gut tells me the outcome isn't going to be good though. And believe me when I say...I hope they find it was all a big mistake, and he did nothing wrong. And that I had as I believe many others, great respect for Tony. And I sure don't want the sport dirtied by it.

So let us wait and see. I hope my gut is wrong.

[Spicoli]

Yes Spicoli, I agree we should. This poster went on an offensive towards Mosely in a number of threads and it got under my skin. Offering Collins dad's POV is a fact though...whether it is true that Margo actually did anything or not.

When I started the "Margarito caught cheating" thread...I did that about the 4th round into the fight, and frankly had never heard of such a thing and was trying to see what people knew on it...both current situation and history. And so it began to snowball.

I will go back into waiting for definitive proof. My gut tells me the outcome isn't going to be good though. And believe me when I say...I hope they find it was all a big mistake, and he did nothing wrong. And that I had as I believe many others, great respect for Tony. And I sure don't want the sport dirtied by it.

So let us wait and see. I hope my gut is wrong.

Good points all Youngblood.What ever 'it' is and what comes of is unknown.No doubt in the court of public opinion,Margarito is already wearing a a brand.Whatever the outcome and official findings,Camp & fighter need to be held accountable to the tee.It sucks all around really,really.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

Look at the bright side. It could have been lead inserts.

[Chino]

And if he had is found innocent? look at the black mark thats left on his record regardless.

Sad but true .
It's like those goldigging slutty whores who falsely accuse rich men of rape and when these men are found innocent. These guys' reputation is already damaged FOR EVER. They loose their jobs, friends, etc. While the false accusing bitch prances her way out of the court and looks for another victim to make her rich.

As for Nazim, he has every right to question what's going on in the other corner and if Margarito didn't have anything then let it be.

I'm sorry, but this is a fairly poor analysis IMO.

And this is the court of public opinion. And the point is simple, and especially in my reply. When people like Onix try to attack Mosely in defence of Margo, if causes people like myself to draw a line and make statements one way or another.

So basically, if you can't be objective and just quietly wait for the full truth to come out, then don't biatch about what those who may not feel the same as you...have to say.

In other words, you can't be walking around flapping your lips on the topic, and expect others to be quiet and not express opinion ...just because they don't agree with you.

Dude,
Calm down, I presented BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN by saying that how bad it would be for Margarito to have his reputation ruined but also said that Nazim has every right to question what goes on in the other corner.

[Youngblood]

Dude,
Calm down, I presented BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN by saying that how bad it would be for Margarito to have his reputation ruined but also said that Nazim has every right to question what goes on in the other corner.

lol dude. you calm down. You likened people questioning his integrity and guilt to, and let me quote you...

"those golddigging slutty whores who falsely accuse rich men of rape etc..."

And it is a shitty analysis and analogy, because as fans, we have nothing to gain by Margarito being proved guilty. We all lose.

[Chino]

Dude,
Calm down, I presented BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN by saying that how bad it would be for Margarito to have his reputation ruined but also said that Nazim has every right to question what goes on in the other corner.

lol dude. you calm down. You likened people questioning his integrity and guilt to, and let me quote you...

"those golddigging slutty whores who falsely accuse rich men of rape etc..."

And it is a shitty analysis and analogy, because as fans, we have nothing to gain by Margarito being proved guilty. We all lose.

When I used te example of whores who falsely accuse I was refering to the fact that, let's say Margarito is found innocent, well, his reputation is ruined anyways and guess what people will wonder from here on "Oh, I wonder if Margarito cheated to win like that". It will be hard to avoid. So when a whore falsely accuses and the other guy is found innocent, nothing happens to her. That's why I said that. Margarito's reputation would be ruined and Nazim would be just fine..BUT! Nazim also has every right to question what goes on in the opponent's corner. So I don't really see Nazim as the villain of the story here. See what I mean? I even told Danny to wait until we were 100% sure what happened. That is why I am seeing both sides of the coin.

I am calmed down, you are the one who came here telling me to not be upset if others disagree with me. Dude, its a forum, I expect people to agree and disagree with me. No problem.

It's all good.

[Youngblood]

But you are clearly missing the point, that in that situation there is some thing to gain. Why else would you use the term 'gold digger'.

It is a fairly offensive statement, and doesn't sound calm to me at all.

I'm pretty chill...especially now that Onix helped me vent my frustration by continually attacking Mosely, and so my first post in this thread.

Here's a thought. If it bothers you that others speculate, so much that you feel the need to call them 'similar to slutty golddigging whores' ...maybe don't fuel the fire by continuing on about it.

I'm guessing you are enjoying it and the drama. And being a hypocrite in the process by telling others to wait and see, but yet keep piping up in threads with an opinion on it.

[Chino]

But you are clearly missing the point, that in that situation there is some thing to gain. Why else would you use the term 'gold digger'

I used that term for those girls who falsely accuse guys of rape to get some money. Just like Deseree Washington with Mike Tyson, that girl that accused Kobe Bryant, Bobby Bonilla, and bunch of other celebrities. These guys either go to jail like Mike Tyson or even though they may be found innocent, their reputation is ruined. A girl like that is a golddigger slut. Just used it as an example of someone who ruins someone's reputation regardless of them coming out innocent. What happens to the accuser? Nothing. What happens to the accused? A lot .

Here's a thought. If it bothers you that others speculate, so much that you feel the need to call them 'similar to slutty golddigging whores' ...maybe don't fuel the fire by continuing on about it

Dude, you are not getting the example. Fine, let's erase the word "golddigger" and keep it down to "slutty accusing whore" if you want. When I said "goldigger" I was not directing that to ANYBODY in here or in boxing. I was just using that word to illustrate what a false accuser is. Is it clear now?

And being a hypocrite in the process by telling others to wait and see, but yet keep piping up in threads with an opinion on it.

Go back to what I first posted mentioning BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN, sheesh! And now you call me a hypocrite. I'll repeat it again: If Margarito comes out innocent, how bad, his reputation is ruined. It will be hard for the casual fan to not question Margarito's victories from here on. THEN AGAIN, Nazim has all the rights to ask what goes on in the opponent's corner...Do you understand now?

[Youngblood]

Actually no...not clear at all. You can break it down 6 ways from Sunday, and it is what it is. Sounds like you have an issue with women and accusations of rape.

And yes, I do call you a hypocrite.

[ICB]

But you are clearly missing the point, that in that situation there is some thing to gain. Why else would you use the term 'gold digger'

I used that term for those girls who falsely accuse guys of rape to get some money. Just like Deseree Washington with Mike Tyson, that girl that accused Kobe Bryant, Bobby Bonilla, and bunch of other celebrities. These guys either go to jail like Mike Tyson or even though they may be found innocent, their reputation is ruined. A girl like that is a golddigger slut. Just used it as an example of someone who ruins someone's reputation regardless of them coming out innocent. What happens to the accuser? Nothing. What happens to the accused? A lot .

Here's a thought. If it bothers you that others speculate, so much that you feel the need to call them 'similar to slutty golddigging whores' ...maybe don't fuel the fire by continuing on about it

Dude, you are not getting the example. Fine, let's erase the word "golddigger" and keep it down to "slutty accusing whore" if you want. When I said "goldigger" I was not directing that to ANYBODY in here or in boxing. I was just using that word to illustrate what a false accuser is. Is it clear now?

And being a hypocrite in the process by telling others to wait and see, but yet keep piping up in threads with an opinion on it.

Go back to what I first posted mentioning BOTH SIDES OF THE COIN, sheesh! And now you call me a hypocrite. I'll repeat it again: If Margarito comes out innocent, how bad, his reputation is ruined. It will be hard for the casual fan to not question Margarito's victories from here on. THEN AGAIN, Nazim has all the rights to ask what goes on in the opponent's corner...Do you understand now?

Hold on a minute where is the evidence that Mike Tyson didn't rape her ? thats just your opinion that she falsely accused him, but it certainly wouldn't suprise me if he did do it, considering he is an animal outside the ring.

I think its way out of order to label someone a "slut" when you don't even know the truth, and there is no real evidence stating that he didn't do it. More often than not celebrities get away with it, because they pay people out of court, because they don't want there rep ruined. Or they have the money for some of the best lawyers in the country.

[Andre]

And if he had is found innocent? look at the black mark thats left on his record regardless.

Sad but true .
It's like those goldigging slutty whores who falsely accuse rich men of rape and when these men are found innocent. These guys' reputation is already damaged FOR EVER. They loose their jobs, friends, etc. While the false accusing bitch prances her way out of the court and looks for another victim to make her rich.

As for Nazim, he has every right to question what's going on in the other corner and if Margarito didn't have anything then let it be.

I'm sorry, but this is a fairly poor analysis IMO.

And this is the court of public opinion. And the point is simple, and especially in my reply. When people like Onix try to attack Mosely in defence of Margo, if causes people like myself to draw a line and make statements one way or another.

So basically, if you can't be objective and just quietly wait for the full truth to come out, then don't biatch about what those who may not feel the same as you...have to say.

In other words, you can't be walking around flapping your lips on the topic, and expect others to be quiet and not express opinion ...just because they don't agree with you.

Imagine prior to testing how many people would of fought on cocaine.They could kill you and themselves while they were at it, but I bet we'd all be shocked to find out all the world time greats in many sports as well as music who excelled in those times with that help.

Regarding plaster in wraps you could easily say it was talc powder that dried up and set.You would think if they were going to try and put plaster into layers of wraps they would mix talcum powder into it so if caught and tested they had a built in question mark to confuse the authorites.

Something weird is going on you would think they'd know exactly what was in them by now.