Just want to clear something up on why Vegas takes 1st place for fight cards

[Trainer Monkey]

Ive been trying to say this for awhile now.
The high rollers dont just show up and leave,they drop a ton at the tables

[Drago]

good post DaxxKahn makes sense or should i say cents, but its infuraiting that hatton & pac is in vegas

[DaxxKahn]

good post DaxxKahn makes sense or should i say cents, but its infuraiting that hatton & pac is in vegas

I agree with you mate...It is frustrating and it almost does seem unfair...The post was more or less just for those who seem to think that fights only happen there (or other places simular) because of favortisim, and the ever lasting....

"Why should so and so be allowed to have the fight there instead of where so and so is...Besides it fits more people"....

Just do not think some people understand it is a money thing and nothing else,....

Shit they would have them fight in Porta Potties if it ment more money drawn from it..

[DaxxKahn]

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Ive been trying to say this for awhile now.
The high rollers dont just show up and leave,they drop a ton at the tables

And the excitement of a fight draws out the high rollers like nothing else

[Violent Demise]

I always do find it hilarious when I read some UK poster talking about a fight can make the most money in Wembly. Poor misguided fools

[DaxxKahn]

I always do find it hilarious when I read some UK poster talking about a fight can make the most money in Wembly. Poor misguided fools

Because they think in Gate dollars....Like I say in many aspects of boxing...There is a business side that goes with it....

BUT Some just believe the paydays appear out of thin air and the Arums, GBP and Don Kings have secret money making machines in their offices so they should do things because they want them too....

What I really find funny is when people actually believe the fighters have no choice but to go along with it

[Trainer Monkey]

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And the excitement of a fight draws out the high rollers like nothing else

Anyone who can afford front and center at a Casino fight,WANTS you to see them blowing a wad at the tables during the weekend. The whole reason they bought front and center tickets is to show off that theyve got that kind of wad. Half the reason I almost never travel for fights, I never gamble on anything. So great,I get to see the fight for free. I know what it looks like when two people fight,people spar here all the time. If I want a really good look at a fight,honestly,I can see it better on TV. I allmost never work corners,because I know how hyperactive I am in a corner. So there's just no reason to go,except to show off that I can go.
And they dont just give plane tickets away,even though they might give fight tickets away

[Gandalf]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

[Trainer Monkey]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

It would be nice if more fights happened at places like Lincoln Financial, or Tropicana Field in the states,but there's just better money at the Casino's. And on top of that,the Casino's are way more willing to take a loss leader on the fight itself,because they know they'll make it back at the tables,and the betting.
If you book a stadium the way they used to,you better be sure you can fill the place. The stadium charges a flat rate,and your out that as a promoter,out of pocket. So you'd best be damned sure you have a fight that will fill the place.
Its led to a practice through most of the south,where part of a fighters pay is tickets to the event,you sell the tickets yourself,and you get a percentage. Why alot of mid to low level fights are kind of s-y is because of that,the promoter has to consider how many friends a guy has.
If you run an established hall like the Blue Horizon,its not as much of an issue,you can risk putting somebody on,because people will be there anyway. But if your booking a huge stadium,you better be sure

[AdamGB]

wow, I didn't think that anybody was stupid enough to think that the real money wasn't made because of the surge of tourism into the local economy?

[Gandalf]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

It would be nice if more fights happened at places like Lincoln Financial, or Tropicana Field in the states,but there's just better money at the Casino's. And on top of that,the Casino's are way more willing to take a loss leader on the fight itself,because they know they'll make it back at the tables,and the betting.
If you book a stadium the way they used to,you better be sure you can fill the place. The stadium charges a flat rate,and your out that as a promoter,out of pocket. So you'd best be damned sure you have a fight that will fill the place.
Its led to a practice through most of the south,where part of a fighters pay is tickets to the event,you sell the tickets yourself,and you get a percentage. Why alot of mid to low level fights are kind of s-y is because of that,the promoter has to consider how many friends a guy has.
If you run an established hall like the Blue Horizon,its not as much of an issue,you can risk putting somebody on,because people will be there anyway. But if your booking a huge stadium,you better be sure

Yeah, I wasnt disagreeing with Daxx at all. Its quite clear why a vast majority of significant fights end up in the casino venues. It would just be nice if on occasion those that supported a fighter got to share more in those BIG fight experiences. Of course, anybody can order it and watch it on the tube. But these types of Hatton fights are more like events than just fights.

[Master]

The atmosphere of fighting in front of 80,000 fans must be amazing and Hatton will do it after the Manny Pac victory.

David Haye will get many thousands of fans at Stamford Bridge, 30,000+. Money can't buy the atmosphere and experience for a boxer.

[Trainer Monkey]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

It would be nice if more fights happened at places like Lincoln Financial, or Tropicana Field in the states,but there's just better money at the Casino's. And on top of that,the Casino's are way more willing to take a loss leader on the fight itself,because they know they'll make it back at the tables,and the betting.
If you book a stadium the way they used to,you better be sure you can fill the place. The stadium charges a flat rate,and your out that as a promoter,out of pocket. So you'd best be damned sure you have a fight that will fill the place.
Its led to a practice through most of the south,where part of a fighters pay is tickets to the event,you sell the tickets yourself,and you get a percentage. Why alot of mid to low level fights are kind of s-y is because of that,the promoter has to consider how many friends a guy has.
If you run an established hall like the Blue Horizon,its not as much of an issue,you can risk putting somebody on,because people will be there anyway. But if your booking a huge stadium,you better be sure

Yeah, I wasnt disagreeing with Daxx at all. Its quite clear why a vast majority of significant fights end up in the casino venues. It would just be nice if on occasion those that supported a fighter got to share more in those BIG fight experiences. Of course, anybody can order it and watch it on the tube. But these types of Hatton fights are more like events than just fights.

Let me put it this way,its risk reward
Its a shame to put it in these terms,but its the way it is.
Just to buy a good breakdown ring is $1200
Now you have to get the insurance bonds
Now youve got to get the hall
Not to mention paying the fighters themselves,and their travel expenses,and their trainers.
Crowd control
You can just hear it going kaching kaching kaching cant you?
Now if he's the type of person that just happens to have that money floating around,do you think the odds are better that he's thinking about his bottom line,or his fellow man being able to see a good fight?
And even then,even if you are a promoter who just wants to see things fair and square,your competing against the guys who can just whip out a wad of bills.
I run everything fair and clean,and Ive got to hustle double time to do it. None of this improves as you move up the food chain. If anything it gets worse.
So you go for the easy money at a Casino rather then roll the dice on the Core States Center,unless your absolutely positive your going to pack it.
Hell alot of the Indian Casinos have their own ABC commissioners now.