Just want to clear something up on why Vegas takes 1st place for fight cards

[Gandalf]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

[Trainer Monkey]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

It would be nice if more fights happened at places like Lincoln Financial, or Tropicana Field in the states,but there's just better money at the Casino's. And on top of that,the Casino's are way more willing to take a loss leader on the fight itself,because they know they'll make it back at the tables,and the betting.
If you book a stadium the way they used to,you better be sure you can fill the place. The stadium charges a flat rate,and your out that as a promoter,out of pocket. So you'd best be damned sure you have a fight that will fill the place.
Its led to a practice through most of the south,where part of a fighters pay is tickets to the event,you sell the tickets yourself,and you get a percentage. Why alot of mid to low level fights are kind of s-y is because of that,the promoter has to consider how many friends a guy has.
If you run an established hall like the Blue Horizon,its not as much of an issue,you can risk putting somebody on,because people will be there anyway. But if your booking a huge stadium,you better be sure

[AdamGB]

wow, I didn't think that anybody was stupid enough to think that the real money wasn't made because of the surge of tourism into the local economy?

[Gandalf]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

It would be nice if more fights happened at places like Lincoln Financial, or Tropicana Field in the states,but there's just better money at the Casino's. And on top of that,the Casino's are way more willing to take a loss leader on the fight itself,because they know they'll make it back at the tables,and the betting.
If you book a stadium the way they used to,you better be sure you can fill the place. The stadium charges a flat rate,and your out that as a promoter,out of pocket. So you'd best be damned sure you have a fight that will fill the place.
Its led to a practice through most of the south,where part of a fighters pay is tickets to the event,you sell the tickets yourself,and you get a percentage. Why alot of mid to low level fights are kind of s-y is because of that,the promoter has to consider how many friends a guy has.
If you run an established hall like the Blue Horizon,its not as much of an issue,you can risk putting somebody on,because people will be there anyway. But if your booking a huge stadium,you better be sure

Yeah, I wasnt disagreeing with Daxx at all. Its quite clear why a vast majority of significant fights end up in the casino venues. It would just be nice if on occasion those that supported a fighter got to share more in those BIG fight experiences. Of course, anybody can order it and watch it on the tube. But these types of Hatton fights are more like events than just fights.

[Master]

The atmosphere of fighting in front of 80,000 fans must be amazing and Hatton will do it after the Manny Pac victory.

David Haye will get many thousands of fans at Stamford Bridge, 30,000+. Money can't buy the atmosphere and experience for a boxer.

[DaxxKahn]

The atmosphere of fighting in front of 80,000 fans must be amazing and Hatton will do it after the Manny Pac victory.

David Haye will get many thousands of fans at Stamford Bridge, 30,000+. Money can't buy the atmosphere and experience for a boxer.

Agreed, but like I said today it ios not so easy as just atmosphere....Same reason MSG is not the #1 place for mega fights anymore....

[Fenster]

As Daxx says, fights in Vegas make sense - but the other reason the fight couldn't happen at Wembley is because without HBO's backing the fight isn't happening.

Primetime HBO PPV would mean the fight starting at 4am UK time.

Wembley has an 11pm deadline for events. So the fight would have to be primetime UK, which is no good for HBO, so no fight.

Just imagine the hassle of dealing with 80,000 drunks in the early hours of the morning .. that's if it's even possible to get those numbers then

[Mark TKO]

I fully understand why there is more money involved by staging it at the strip - and know full well why it's going to happen there.

It's like footballers earning 150k a week here - easy to understand why but it doesn't make it right that's all.

Would love to be at this one but no way am I making the trip again and spending several days in lost wages.

will make do with a Khan v Barrera ticket instead - £83 and just 48 miles away

[Dizaster]

yes great post Daxx.. I completely understand why most of the big fights are in Vegas..

Although I like the idea of fighters and promoters occasionally giving up a little bit of $ or whatever to hold fights in different places like the UK.. Especially when they have the opportunity to fight in Vegas but choose not to.
It puts back into more of the boxing community who don't get a chance to go to Vegas.. And infact, maybe more fights should be spread around a bit, but I don't begrudge anyone involved in the game to choose the option that is easiest for them, offers the most benefits to the fighters, and makes them the most money... Hopefully some of that money goes back into boxing in some positive form or another though

[DaxxKahn]

yes great post Daxx.. I completely understand why most of the big fights are in Vegas..

Although I like the idea of fighters and promoters occasionally giving up a little bit of $ or whatever to hold fights in different places like the UK.. Especially when they have the opportunity to fight in Vegas but choose not to.
It puts back into more of the boxing community who don't get a chance to go to Vegas.. And infact, maybe more fights should be spread around a bit, but I don't begrudge anyone involved in the game to choose the option that is easiest for them, offers the most benefits to the fighters, and makes them the most money... Hopefully some of that money goes back into boxing in some positive form or another though

It would be nice for sure...The thread was more or less for those who insist that the fights are in Vegas due to favortisim or because one fighter will only fight there..

I wish they would spread out more myself...Even local boxing with up and comers has died out...I used to be able to catch 2 shows a month...Granted the guys on the card were ones you would not know but to me boxing is boxing and it is good just to go to the fights...The atmosphere is great...

[Fenster]

Constant big fights in Vegas has been criticised for "harming" boxing.

Because TRUE fans don't get to follow their fighter and at the same time Vegas doesn't bring in any NEW fans (who would follow a fighter form their area).

Think it was Arum or King or both who were starting to promote more matches away from there.

[Trainer Monkey]

Still sucks for all those fans that would like to go and see a huge event though. Travelling half the way around the world isnt an option for most people and those fans will only be able to get their hands on a fraction of the tickets. Demand will well outsrip supply. Im sure the UK fans dont want to just get lumbered with the occasional style Lazcano fight, which really serves as little more than a pocket builder for Hatton. Certainly doesnt mean anything as an actual fight, does it?

There is no reason why it couldnt be held in the UK at 3am which would mean decent HBO US time and a lot of happy lager louts in a stadium. I understand the motivations for holding it in Vegas, but I do think certain fights dont need to be there. This is one of them. But as the powers that be have decreed it, we will just have to go with it.

It would be nice if more fights happened at places like Lincoln Financial, or Tropicana Field in the states,but there's just better money at the Casino's. And on top of that,the Casino's are way more willing to take a loss leader on the fight itself,because they know they'll make it back at the tables,and the betting.
If you book a stadium the way they used to,you better be sure you can fill the place. The stadium charges a flat rate,and your out that as a promoter,out of pocket. So you'd best be damned sure you have a fight that will fill the place.
Its led to a practice through most of the south,where part of a fighters pay is tickets to the event,you sell the tickets yourself,and you get a percentage. Why alot of mid to low level fights are kind of s-y is because of that,the promoter has to consider how many friends a guy has.
If you run an established hall like the Blue Horizon,its not as much of an issue,you can risk putting somebody on,because people will be there anyway. But if your booking a huge stadium,you better be sure

Yeah, I wasnt disagreeing with Daxx at all. Its quite clear why a vast majority of significant fights end up in the casino venues. It would just be nice if on occasion those that supported a fighter got to share more in those BIG fight experiences. Of course, anybody can order it and watch it on the tube. But these types of Hatton fights are more like events than just fights.

Let me put it this way,its risk reward
Its a shame to put it in these terms,but its the way it is.
Just to buy a good breakdown ring is $1200
Now you have to get the insurance bonds
Now youve got to get the hall
Not to mention paying the fighters themselves,and their travel expenses,and their trainers.
Crowd control
You can just hear it going kaching kaching kaching cant you?
Now if he's the type of person that just happens to have that money floating around,do you think the odds are better that he's thinking about his bottom line,or his fellow man being able to see a good fight?
And even then,even if you are a promoter who just wants to see things fair and square,your competing against the guys who can just whip out a wad of bills.
I run everything fair and clean,and Ive got to hustle double time to do it. None of this improves as you move up the food chain. If anything it gets worse.
So you go for the easy money at a Casino rather then roll the dice on the Core States Center,unless your absolutely positive your going to pack it.
Hell alot of the Indian Casinos have their own ABC commissioners now.

[Drago]

at the end of the day its the real fans who cant afford to travel to vegas that suffer well i cant afford to go again for a long long long time

[JazMerkin]

at the end of the day its the real fans who cant afford to travel to vegas that suffer well i cant afford to go again for a long long long time

Yeah, I'm going out there this time more as a boxing fan than a Hatton fan, although I will be backing him, what are most of the guys who go out there supporting him like? Are they actually boxing fans? Or am I gonna wanna punch all of them as they declare that Hatton would've beat Mayweather easily if not for Joe Cortez tripping him up as he went for PBF in that corner?

[Drago]

at the end of the day its the real fans who cant afford to travel to vegas that suffer well i cant afford to go again for a long long long time

Yeah, I'm going out there this time more as a boxing fan than a Hatton fan, although I will be backing him, what are most of the guys who go out there supporting him like? Are they actually boxing fans? Or am I gonna wanna punch all of them as they declare that Hatton would've beat Mayweather easily if not for Joe Cortez tripping him up as he went for PBF in that corner?

nice 2 hear u making the journey, sorry i meant couldnt afford vegas again not hatton as saw calzaghe last time & the crowd was really good, probably 50/50 as to how much they knew abt boxing.

many of the fans that follow hatton do not follow boxing