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Why Hopkins above Jones?
Longevity...In his 40s he is still a P4P #1 fighter...Also Hopkins has a better level of comp....Hard to even say when Hopkins prime is/was because he is still elite...

Jones...Titles from 160,168,175, and HW best wins are over

Tate, Toney, Hill, Hopkins (A very new to the game Hopkins not the version he turned out to be).... (his bout with McCallum was a waay past his best McCallum)

Jones also ducked guys...Admittingly he ducked Calzaghe in his LHW reign stating he had too much to lose for him to travel and fight him

Hopkins best wins...

Glen Johnson (Ist to do so) Felix Trinidad, De La Hoya, Eastman (when Howard was worthy), Wright, Pavlik, Daniels,

Hopkins beat tha man to KO Jones 1st time out...He has never been Stopped and he has never been dominated in one sided fashion he has never lost a fight by more then 3rds on any scorecard....

11yr Middleweight champion, 4yrs as undisputed MW champion, former LHW ring champion

IMO Jones in his prime may have been the most gifted athlete in the game when he fought at 168 to this day I don't think P4P he could have been beaten by anyone in history but that time was short, Jones spent a lot of soft time at LHW...his last outing was embaressing.....KO'd back to back

I had to give Hopkins the nod easily for me...just my opp though
Ok then Daxx but why did you say in your original post that you went off Prime? Surely if you think at his prime no-one in history could have beaten him he should be no.1?

To be honest had Roy retired after the Ruiz fight there really couldn't be much argument that he would be in most top 10 p4p lists. But for me he shouldn't have anything taken from him for what he lost in his later years (Ali doesn't) but he should be acknowledged for what he had in his prime!
He spent a very short time at 168.....IMO at 176 he was not the same fighter he was at 168...I think Jones got cocky and lost a bit of his edge..he fought less the par opp most of the time...So for me it is hard to judge how long his prime actually lasted...there are others on my list that fought and won in a prime state for longer periods of time so that is why they got the edge over him