Toney: I'll KO Hopkins

[C-Lo]

I'd pick Toney if he could get down to that weight for the simple fact that he's used to being bigger and he'd finally have enough crack in his punches to put a dent in somebody. But then again, Tarver had pretty much the same idea.

I have no doubt that if Toney really signed for the fight that he could make the weight. It's a matter of will with him and I don't think he would sign if he didn't have the ability to stay away from the refrigerator. That being said, Toney looks like he's thinking about a cheese burger at the end of every fight so I doubt he'll fight as anything else other than HW.

Even if the fight was signed, I think Toney has ZERO will power to drop weight! He loves food too much and I'm not saying that in a joking manner. I doubt he has the discipline regardless of what was offerred to him to make the fight...

The only thing he will KO is the nearest Chinese Buffet. He has become a delusional slob who needs to STFU.

OH SNAP! That was funny!

[HattonTheHammer]

The only possible chance you could give james toney is to win by doing something that Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, jermain taylor, winky wright, kelly pavlik, oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad etc etc all couldnt do and actually stop hopkins.

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

[Gandalf]

The only possible chance you could give james toney is to win by doing something that Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, jermain taylor, winky wright, kelly pavlik, oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad etc etc all couldnt do and actually stop hopkins.

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

I dont think the fight can physically happen at 185 pounds. Not within this year anyway. Toney is probably floating around 250 pounds as we speak. I just think its utterly bizarre to be talking about Hopkins. It really makes me think that Toney is looking to talk his way into the only possible payday he can make after his recent crappy showings.

[HattonTheHammer]

The only possible chance you could give james toney is to win by doing something that Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, jermain taylor, winky wright, kelly pavlik, oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad etc etc all couldnt do and actually stop hopkins.

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

I dont think the fight can physically happen at 185 pounds. Not within this year anyway. Toney is probably floating around 250 pounds as we speak. I just think its utterly bizarre to be talking about Hopkins. It really makes me think that Toney is looking to talk his way into the only possible payday he can make after his recent crappy showings.

probably true

it would beg the question why he is shouting his mouth off about a 175pound ring master when he looked completely past it against the likes of oquendo

[Gandalf]

The only possible chance you could give james toney is to win by doing something that Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, jermain taylor, winky wright, kelly pavlik, oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad etc etc all couldnt do and actually stop hopkins.

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

I dont think the fight can physically happen at 185 pounds. Not within this year anyway. Toney is probably floating around 250 pounds as we speak. I just think its utterly bizarre to be talking about Hopkins. It really makes me think that Toney is looking to talk his way into the only possible payday he can make after his recent crappy showings.

probably true

it would beg the question why he is shouting his mouth off about a 175pound ring master when he looked completely past it against the likes of oquendo

It would generate a fair bit of money, I guess. Toney himself probably wont allow that he has slipped considerably too.

[JT Rock]

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

On the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan b

[Gandalf]

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

On the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan b

He is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.

[JT Rock]

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

On the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan b

He is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.

I hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter

[ICB]

On the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan b

He is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.

I hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter

To be honest i think he's knowledge is very little on alot of boxers, his post about Pernell Whitaker in the other thread was absurd. Now this one ain't much better, he needs to watch his fights against.

Michael Nunn
Iran Barkley
Vassiliy Jirov
Mike McCallum
Charles Williams

ETC.

James Toney is a throwback fighter he can box beautifully rolling with the punches, he can find angles brilliantly his countering skills are top notch. James Toney is like a boxer from the 1950's he really is the complete package, he just often didn't train enough which let him down.

[HattonTheHammer]

On the contrary Toney is a slick counterpuncher, he is not Pavlik nor will he come in without a plan b

He is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.

I hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter

He`s a 40 year blob who would have to conceed an endless amount of muscle to get down to 185 and you seriously think he`s gonna do anything other than attempt to go straight to route 1

PS:Ive seen a good dozen Toney fights so once again JT your accusations fall on death ears

[JT Rock]

He is also 40 years of age, and would be losing over 20kg's in weight to face Hopkins. Hopkins is older, but always in shape. Im a long time Toney fan, but the whole proposition sounds absurd.

I hear you miles, but the point of my post was to show that obviously HTH knows little about Toney to say he is a straight forward fighter

He`s a 40 year blob who would have to conceed an endless amount of muscle to get down to 185 and you seriously think he`s gonna do anything other than attempt to go straight to route 1

PS:Ive seen a good dozen Toney fights so once again JT your accusations fall on death ears

If you have watched a good dozen Toney fights then you should know he isint a STRAIGHT FORWARD FIGHTER!!!!! Never has been, why the hell would he be one now

There is a big damn difference saying YOU THINK TONEY AT 40 AND LOSING SO MUCH WEIGHT, MIGHT REVERT TO HAVING TO BE A STRAIGHT FORWARD FIGHTER IN YOUR OPINION....

OR

James Toney is a straight forward fighter, like you claimed which he clearly is quite the opposite, seeing he is known for being one of the best defensive fighting counter punchers of the past 50 years

[JonnyFolds]

The only possible chance you could give james toney is to win by doing something that Roy Jones, Joe Calzaghe, jermain taylor, winky wright, kelly pavlik, oscar de la hoya, felix trinidad etc etc all couldnt do and actually stop hopkins.

Otherwise even at 185 toney will still be a very straight forward fighter that hopkins will simply run rings around and take a unanimous points decision or even a late stoppage.

Toney's never been stopped... although I haven't seen him rocked like he was against Oquendo a couple times. That was sorely disappointing to watch. ... and to think I call myself a Toney fan...

It's pathetic how fat he let himself get. He was whooping Rahman's ass though in that fight before last! So I wouldn't go as far as to say he hasn't looked good in forever...

Granted that was only 3rnds, and it is Rahman we are talking about

[Wayne]

"...by Hopkins I mean 14 hamburgers and by KO I mean eat."

[BoomBoom]

I always wanted to see these guys fight, but the timing never seemed quite right. Its still not imo. Toney probably could get down 185 and he would. The payday would motivate him. But, at 40 I dont think that its a smart thing to do, could turn out like Chris Byrd. Hopkins would likely be more comfortable at that weight, even though hes never fought there before.

[The Fightfan]

The first thing I thought when I seen this was liposuction. There is no way in hell this man will make 185 lbs. F**K Toney.