Well you can also say that the talent was not queite there for him to grab at the right time and it is all not his fault i mean come on cant put the blame on him for Roy and Hopkins are hard to land a deal with also i not saying Barrea was shot but was not prime and for Morles was on the slide coming off the loses i never said they were shot i think Oscar Dela Hoya was done and if you want to agrue that then i dont know what to say to you because i just have to disagree as for Bernard he has been in the top 10 pound for pound for 10 years now if you look at the lists and just came off a career high win over the top middle weight champion that win Calzaghe got over him was equal with Barrea or Marquez then there was Lacy win wich was like a on the same level as Pac win over the light weight title guy forget his name but far form great as well then Kessler win comes into play which is like the Morles win also something Calzaghe can say he has never lost which not many people can say not saying who is better i just saying that there not that far apart form what i see.