gary shaw acting like a baby!

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Donaire done nothing for sure.. but that doesn't mean he is less than Darchi.. That 1 loss on darchi will always be there.. its not the other way around that some people think. Darchi needs to avenge that loss if he really wanted to clean his record and say that he beat everyone he had face.. donaire maybe inactive for the simple reason that he mess up his promotional contract before.. not because he is ducking somebody.. you know that for sure..

No ones saying Donaire is ducking anyone but he is wasting his talent & now with Martinez in his tail it may be too late, as for Darchinyan ducking Donaire I don't think so he's already fought some of the best fighters around the weight & proven he'll fight anyone. It may be just a case that Darchinyan has bigger fish to fry i.e Montiel & some of the bigger name, bigger money fights at 122. Not saying he'll win those but at 33 he needs to make his move now & unfortunately knocking out Donaire may not be in his plans!

I got to disagree with this statement bro Galaxy... After the Donaire fight, Darchinyan fought Catubay, Gorres, Kirilov, Mijares and Arce... I consider Donaire a much bigger fish than the aforementioned boxers except maybe for Mijares... Donaire a bigger fish plus he has a loss to avenge, there's enough reasons for the rematch to happen but it's just unfortunate Gary Shaw does not want this rematch fight for whatever his personal motives might be...
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Depends what u mean by bigger fish. In boxing talent Donaire is arguably a bigger fish than the mentioned Vic opponents but in terms of moneymaking, Arce and Mijares are bigger fish. As is Monteil and the big little men at 122.

[XaduBoxer]

No ones saying Donaire is ducking anyone but he is wasting his talent & now with Martinez in his tail it may be too late, as for Darchinyan ducking Donaire I don't think so he's already fought some of the best fighters around the weight & proven he'll fight anyone. It may be just a case that Darchinyan has bigger fish to fry i.e Montiel & some of the bigger name, bigger money fights at 122. Not saying he'll win those but at 33 he needs to make his move now & unfortunately knocking out Donaire may not be in his plans!

I got to disagree with this statement bro Galaxy... After the Donaire fight, Darchinyan fought Catubay, Gorres, Kirilov, Mijares and Arce... I consider Donaire a much bigger fish than the aforementioned boxers except maybe for Mijares... Donaire a bigger fish plus he has a loss to avenge, there's enough reasons for the rematch to happen but it's just unfortunate Gary Shaw does not want this rematch fight for whatever his personal motives might be...
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Depends what u mean by bigger fish. In boxing talent Donaire is arguably a bigger fish than the mentioned Vic opponents but in terms of moneymaking, Arce and Mijares are bigger fish. As is Monteil and the big little men at 122.

I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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I got to disagree with this statement bro Galaxy... After the Donaire fight, Darchinyan fought Catubay, Gorres, Kirilov, Mijares and Arce... I consider Donaire a much bigger fish than the aforementioned boxers except maybe for Mijares... Donaire a bigger fish plus he has a loss to avenge, there's enough reasons for the rematch to happen but it's just unfortunate Gary Shaw does not want this rematch fight for whatever his personal motives might be...
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Depends what u mean by bigger fish. In boxing talent Donaire is arguably a bigger fish than the mentioned Vic opponents but in terms of moneymaking, Arce and Mijares are bigger fish. As is Monteil and the big little men at 122.

I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

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Depends what u mean by bigger fish. In boxing talent Donaire is arguably a bigger fish than the mentioned Vic opponents but in terms of moneymaking, Arce and Mijares are bigger fish. As is Monteil and the big little men at 122.

I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

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I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.

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i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.

Are u an idiot? Arce has the biggest fanbase of any fighter under 122 by a country mile, and Vic is probably second. All Jorges fights are big events.
Donaire struggles to get his fights telecast let alone make big money. No way Vic makes more fighting Donaire than fighting Arce.
How is fighting Monteil or one of the great fighters at 122 choosing money before a great fight? The other point is that Vic is looking to fight at 118 even 122 whilst Donaire is staying at 112, so unless Donaire moves up how is the fight gonna be made?
Yeah it'd be nice if Vic fought Nonito again but he is not ducking him and scared if he fights someone like Monteil who is bigger and arguably better than Donaire anyway. Nonito needs to stop living off that one win. Its his fault he isnt getting the big fights because he thought he could call the shots and look what happened.

[XaduBoxer]

Depends what u mean by bigger fish. In boxing talent Donaire is arguably a bigger fish than the mentioned Vic opponents but in terms of moneymaking, Arce and Mijares are bigger fish. As is Monteil and the big little men at 122.

I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

[XaduBoxer]

Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.

You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.

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Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.

You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.

More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.