Why Marvin Hagler Is The Best Middleweight Of All Time.

[RozzySean]

Dare I introduce Floyd Mayweather Jr into the best welterweight? I have to. I think he would beat SRL but Im not sure about SRR. What do you guys think?

You can't because he never proved against enough top quality WW's. I think Leonard beats Floyd at WW, and even if not, Floyd never beat a true great, natural WW in his prime. Leonard beat Benitez, Duran, and Hearns. That tops Oscar, Judah, and Baldomir. Hatton I don't count as a WW because he's really a LWW.

It's like calling Roy Jones the best MW. He just didn't stay there long enough.

[rjj tszyu]

Dare I introduce Floyd Mayweather Jr into the best welterweight? I have to. I think he would beat SRL but Im not sure about SRR. What do you guys think?

You can't because he never proved against enough top quality WW's. I think Leonard beats Floyd at WW, and even if not, Floyd never beat a true great, natural WW in his prime. Leonard beat Benitez, Duran, and Hearns. That tops Oscar, Judah, and Baldomir. Hatton I don't count as a WW because he's really a LWW.

It's like calling Roy Jones the best MW. He just didn't stay there long enough.

Well for me they can be called the best at their respected divisions, just not the greatest as for that you need longevity!

[CutMeMick]

IMO Hagler clearly beats Monzon who great smaller guys as well, but not as great Duran or Leonard or Hearns.

IMO Bernard is the best middleweight ever that I've seen and I think he beats either Monzon or Hagler because he is too crafty while still having all of Hagler's mean streak.

Imagine how good Monzon would have been had he trained! He only trained 1 month before a fight and only did roadwork and went half pace in sparring, he drank heavily, chain smoked and f***ed anything with a skirt on. He fought with a bullet lodged in his shoulder for the last 5 years of his career courtesy of his enraged wife at the time. Benvenuti was no bum and Monzon destroyed him twice, he beat the legend Emile Griffith and long time Welterweight king Jose Napoles. 14 title defenses and unbeaten in his last 13 years as a pro, i don't see Hagler beating him clearly.
Someone has to make a movie on Monzon's life, the guy was incredible in the ring, but outside the ring he was out of control.

I agree here THIRD MAN.
To say Hopkins or Hagler would beat Monzon and use the word "clearly" is outrageous.
Monzon was a fucken beast and like you say he did it with minimal traning and a crazy life style. I also rate Monzons opposition better then Haglers & Hopkins opposition.

IMO Hagler clearly beats Monzon who great smaller guys as well, but not as great Duran or Leonard or Hearns.

IMO Bernard is the best middleweight ever that I've seen and I think he beats either Monzon or Hagler because he is too crafty while still having all of Hagler's mean streak.

Imagine how good Monzon would have been had he trained! He only trained 1 month before a fight and only did roadwork and went half pace in sparring, he drank heavily, chain smoked and f***ed anything with a skirt on. He fought with a bullet lodged in his shoulder for the last 5 years of his career courtesy of his enraged wife at the time. Benvenuti was no bum and Monzon destroyed him twice, he beat the legend Emile Griffith and long time Welterweight king Jose Napoles. 14 title defenses and unbeaten in his last 13 years as a pro, i don't see Hagler beating him clearly.
Someone has to make a movie on Monzon's life, the guy was incredible in the ring, but outside the ring he was out of control.

So he beat the great Griffith? He wasn't so great at MW. Rubin Carter KO'd him in round 1 and he wasn't as great as some people and Hollywood make out.

Though I rate Emile as a Welterweight to say he wasn't a great Middle is off. Because Emile was a great period.
Your saying he wasn't a great because Rubin sparked him out in 1?
That's selling his entire career short based on 1 fight.
He also lost to fighters whom on any other night he would have handled with ease. Fighters like Fullmer & Gonzalez but it's part of the sport.

You can rest assured that Monzons wins over Emile def. carry weight in his legacy.

[YIDDLE]

fantastic thread .....,hagler my favourite so i think he greatest middleweight ever