Geez these f'ers are crazy.

[VictorCharlie]

So I guess the real point your making is while Christianity's mainstream denominations have attempted to evolve and change to better fit the world's current moral compass and put its less than savory history behind it Islam is still an extremely violent religion. Couldn't agree more

[armin]

And I'm not going to disagree with that statement I said at the moment there are more loonies in islam than christianity. islam has a lot of its followers that are crazy fuckheads at the moment, but that doesn't make islam as a religion more evil than another religion.

[Trainer Monkey]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

[Kev]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Again the difference is once his indiscretions were found out his congregation were shocked and horrifed and that he was immediately removed from his position.

What part of this is hard for you to understand Monkey? In Christianity and America if you break the law you get punished by the rest of your OWN people becuase what you did was wrong.

In Islam it's the GOVERNMENTS and offical Islamic LEADERS that are declaring this law.

Once again you try and prove one point only for your statement to actually demonstrate the total opposite, commit wrongdoing in a Christian Church in a democratically elected government in America and the rest of the Western World, you will be punished for your wrongdoing. Thanks' for the clarification

[El Kabong]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Did anyone get stoned to death? Did anyone get their heads cut off? Was anyone killed?

You know there is a personality disorder that attracts people like Haggerty and Jim Bakker to religion...I'm sure there are muslim imams that do the same damn thing. They want to be like democrats, telling everyone what to do while living by their own rules when no one is looking.

[El Kabong]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement
6. is interpersonally exploitative
7. lacks empathy
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

[Trainer Monkey]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Did anyone get stoned to death? Did anyone get their heads cut off? Was anyone killed?

You know there is a personality disorder that attracts people like Haggerty and Jim Bakker to religion...I'm sure there are muslim imams that do the same damn thing. They want to be like democrats, telling everyone what to do while living by their own rules when no one is looking.

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

[El Kabong]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGI

I know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

[Andre]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGII know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

If both sides knew how to learn from their scriptures properly they would realise they should be simply recognizing their ego so that it dies off and leaves control of their mind to their real self.

Instead they oppose ego in others; so it grows and strengthens in themselves further secretly, because it strives on you thinking it is you and the dramas created increase the ego in both sides; like an argument does or agreement also! if your ego gets to be backed up from it.(there is the mental catch 22 that leads into emotion and feeling, further springing the trap).

Religion /politics are now generated by the exact same force from within the human pshce, except its now totally on mass which makes all the egos feel even more correct. Others on the outer,can blame goverments ,some others blame God and his false followers from both main religions (the trap has even them), so all are casualties of the same trap.
Until they go back to the start and deal with it within themselves on their own,there will be no answer and no deliverance.

[Trainer Monkey]

How many gay bashings do you think occur in the US every day?
I know Mathew Sheppard could have used a little tolerance when they were stringing him up like a scarecrow

How many honor killings and mutilations happen to girls in islam a day just because they are going to fucking school or because THEY got raped?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Jjy_eVaGI
I know certain parts of our own population in the western world struggle because of stereotypes and misconceptions and just plain fear of someone being different but it's usually not to the level where someone gets killed or mutilated and if it is to that level the people who committed the crime are punished for their actions.

Wait,let me get this right,your argument is "Since they can act f-ed up,we can act even more f-ed up"?
Whats next,"We raped slightly less women"?

[VictorCharlie]

Ted Haggerty ran the largest church in America,constantly railed against homosexual marriage,all the while going on meth binges with his male prostitute lover.
Yeah,its the muslims that are crazy

Let me once again preface this post by saying that I have no use for organized religion nor oppose gay marriage. Biblical scripture is pretty straight forward on being against homosexuality. One can interpret how he wants but it definately doesn't give a glowing endorsement. So while not forgiving him for being a meth using hypocrite would you really expect him to not be against gay marriage? Christians do not believe its a "christ like" lifestyle. While I don't personally agree I can certainly understand that its is a strongly held personal religious belief. Strangely enough homosexual acts are pervasive in many Islamic cultures. I've actually witnessed this in two different islamic countries. (don't ask) Of course any two individuals that attempted to be openly gay would be met with a severe punishment.

Armin while I can agree that one organized religion isn't better than another it can't be denied that in today's world Islam is leading the way in radicals commiting heinous acts of violence and human right violations. More importantly through state sponsored religion these things are being done almost as a national policy with international implications. Is this due to Islam's doctrine, regional issues or ethnic traditions? I don't know but if you can't see that Islam's follower are at a crucial point in their religion's history where they need to decide what direction it is going to go then I question your objectivity.

[armin]

Van I'm glad you agree that one religion isn't more evil than another because that's all I was getting at. As for in todays world, I already stated that there are more loonies and hard line extremists in islam than other religions, but I don't think its due to islams doctrine. And yes hopefully muslims everywhere will not give in control of their religion completely to hard line extremists and hopefully can cleanse themselves of these elements.