Ok this is heresy but was Ali actually a total knob?

[Beanflicker]

Ali is #1 hw of all time, no question. But IMO he is terribly overrated as a person. When I hear people calling him a hero, putting him up there with real heros like M. Luthor King Jr, I gotta cringe. He was charismatic, but one of the sleaziest, most manipulative sports figures in history.

[DMan37]

Ok I'm up late watching a rbr commentary of Frazier Ali 2 in which both Ali and Frazier were in the studio providing the commentary.

Ali is a complete douche! Calling the interviewer a white bigot and saying he lost the fight because of racism, e taunts Frazier relentlessly during the show causing Frazier eventually to stand up and square up to Ali who then jumps up and wrestles him to the floor.

Frazier then leaves in disgust but Ali is still there loving the platform he has and talking absolute shit

I don't think any boxer could get away with the crap he did back then and now I'm watching this willing Frazier to knock him the fuck out!

Anyone else ever seen this doc, or have recollections of Ali actually sometimes being a total Mayweatheresque tool?

Ali was Ali - as cliche' as that may sound. He was that one in a million that could talk huge trash and then step in the ring and back it up. Joe Frazier was his #1 nemisis throughout his career. But I seem to recall Ali almost always made him look like a clown. Ali was very bright and his one liners were classic IMO.

[Beanflicker]

But I seem to recall Ali almost always made him look like a clown.

[DMan37]

I meant outside the ring in the interviews and weigh ins. Besides, Ali won 2 of the 3 matchups and the most classic one of all. No one would ever have to defend Ali for his ring performance.

[Rocky Balboa]

He could act dumb and hypocritical but some of his one-liners were the most hilarious I've ever heard.

ps. about mayweather - I have watched several small clips of him in the gym by an average passerbyer and he was totally different, actually humble guy. He does it to sell tickets.

[Taeth]

The one thing I give Ali that Mayweather doesn't have is charisma. Some guys can say anything and get away with it, Muhammad Ali was one of those men. I think he said a lot of mean things, and was arrogant, but there was smile in the corner of his mouth it was clearly a show. Mayweather is arrogant or whatnot, but it comes off as fake because you know deep down he is insecure, and just wants people to know how great he is. I find Mayweather's situation sad, while Ali made people loving acting that way.

IMO Ali would have worked in a team sport more than Mayweather who has the same personality as Terrell Owens.

[ono]

So's this

[HattonTheHammer]

dunno... and dont really care


90% of fighters are usually complete arrogant knobs who think the sun shines out of their arses.

I hate bernard hopkins as a person and thinks his whole character stinks....but i love bernard hopkins the fighter and thats all that matters if you ask me!

[Rocky Balboa]

Mayweather, insecure? wow ... alright

[BoomBoom]

Mayweather isnt comparable to Ali in ANY WAY. Ali is the legend of all legends. Mayweather is not anywhere near the same class. Not even close. As far as personality there is absolutely no comparison there either. Ali was chrismatic. He had a likebility about him and he connected with people. He had something about him that is rarely ever seen in a person, a certain spark. When he spoke, we listened. Mayweather can not connect with people because of his upbring and maybe lack of being a free thinker. He doesnt have that charisma. He is not a special person in terms of personality, hes a special person because of his skills in the ring. He didnt have to struggle in a world were racism was prevelant in all aspects of day to day life. I hate even putting their names in the same sentence. Ali is the kind of person that only comes around once in a lifetime. Like him or not, he is his own man and his legcy is cemented in history.

[kid_thunder]

ali always spoke his mind no matter who it hurt or who he pissed off and u canot hate a man that like to speaks there mind.

[El Kabong]

ali always spoke his mind no matter who it hurt or who he pissed off and u canot hate a man that like to speaks there mind.

Except for when he dodged the draft citing his religion and his race and then went on to call Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom.

Ali is an asshole who got a free pass JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER LIBERALS

[kid_thunder]

ok i see your point but would u like to go to a war i mean think can ali not be scared for his life he more safe going to a ring then going where the guns are going to be shot at u?

[El Kabong]

Andrew, listen Joe Louis went in the Army he was nowhere near the front lines.....Ali wouldn't have been close either.

Ali made a political statement and that's all fine and dandy but what he did and what he said were different and I think he really crossed the line with Frazier imparticular

[Trainer Monkey]

ali always spoke his mind no matter who it hurt or who he pissed off and u canot hate a man that like to speaks there mind.

Except for when he dodged the draft citing his religion and his race and then went on to call Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom.

Ali is an asshole who got a free pass JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER LIBERALS

Put the Limbaugh down and step back