floyd turns down Mosley....

[Taeth]

is this comment based off your assumption? Clearly not fact.

Because corrales was soundely beaten by clottey who walked through his shots all night.

And castlllo couldn't move hatton at 140 and lost to lujan at 147....

And dude let me clear something up with you,cause its getting kinda of silly. Yeah floyd is retired, and i dont have invested in any of these guys.
So my feeling arent hurt as you seem to think. I'm simply being objective.

Let me ask you this: If floyd fought and beat mosley, cotto, berto, clottey, and margo, would he not be considered higher than he would be with his current record?

If he doesn't fight again, fine. If he does then great. But he's the one that stated time and time again that he was concerned with his legacy. And after the hatton fight he said he was taking a break until 2010, so go figure. Ive also stated that id be pulling for PBF if they (he and mosley)did fight.

HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.

I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.

Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.

idiot.

I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.

32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.

The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent. It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"

There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.

And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"

Who did Mosley fight at lightweight? Holiday?

IN the first Vargas fight, the only thing he was doing to Vargas was swelling up his eye, and thats what stopped the fight, Vargas was walking right through his punches, in the second fight Vargas was so badly weightdrained a breeze could have blown him over.

Against Mayorga it took him 12 rounds before the KO came. The reason why MayweatherJonesJr is an idiot is that Mosley KO's came against guys who sucked at LW, he was really good, but they weren't. Also he hasn't ko'ed a valid opponent in his career since moving up. De La Hoya, Collazo, Wright, Forrest, even Miguel Cotto. He stunned Cotto once or twice, but never really hurt him at all, people use Cotto slipping on a wetspot late as evidence of him being hurt, but fail to recognize Mosley actually slipped and fell in the same spot while no punches were being landed on him.

Mosley is a solid puncher no doubt, but he isn't a huge puncher above lightweight.

[JonesJrMayweather]

HAHA OBJECTIVE?! I think you mean, SUBJECTIVE. Objective would say that he is retired and that he is out of the picture. That is not what you're saying. You're saying he is avoiding fighters, specifically Mosley.. nice try though.

I REALLY can't believe that you're back posting on this topic after you got laughed at time and time again the last time you talked about Floyd.

Thing is that in boxing you have to be subjective. There are no facts, and all you can do is look at the past and ATTEMPT to speculate. Again, there are no facts. You're trying to make castillo/corrales' power out to be nothing special by looking at one or two of their past fights and not their career in general. In that case, did Mosley KO De La Hoya? I don't think he did. But i think Manny Pacquiao did. So using your logic, Mosley must not have the power you're trying to talk him up to having.

idiot.

I don't have to talk up mosley's power..if you can't see it then you're blind or in denial.

32-0 30 kos at lightweight, moved up and stopped vargas twice, mayorga, and margarito. all naturally bigger and heavier guys. And he hurt winky, only winky's clinging on kept him from going down.

The stoppage of margarito says enough about Shane's power. not to mention he has a higher career KO percentage than castillo, corrales, and pacman, which means he has more stopping power, thats a fact.... And i dont care about a couple of fanboys dismissing the point that shane would be floyd's toughest opponent. It's weird because fanboys find that statement to be absurd because "floyd is the best ever and he soundly beats 'em all and he's light years ahead of everybody", so it's no point. Because any objective outlook on a floyd fight translates to: "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, MAN FLOYD'S THE BEST AND WE WHOLE HEARTEDLY DISAGREE WITH ANYONE WHO DOESN"T THINK SO"

There were a collection of guys on here that also said hatton would beat floyd. Where I picked floyd in round ten. Another group also laughed when I kept saying floyd would tear margarito up like he did corrales, while the fight didnt happen it should be more visible after seeing what mosley did to him. FLoyd wouldn't stop him though.

And so fucking what he;s retired, how many theoretical fights have been discussed on this fourm? Countless..I remember I started thread about PACMAN v HAMED and it had over 1000 replies...so whatever with the don't talk him he's retired bullshit. Because corrales is dead and no one is saying man stop saying "corrales this or corrales that"

Who did Mosley fight at lightweight? Holiday?

IN the first Vargas fight, the only thing he was doing to Vargas was swelling up his eye, and thats what stopped the fight, Vargas was walking right through his punches, in the second fight Vargas was so badly weightdrained a breeze could have blown him over.

Against Mayorga it took him 12 rounds before the KO came. The reason why MayweatherJonesJr is an idiot is that Mosley KO's came against guys who sucked at LW, he was really good, but they weren't. Also he hasn't ko'ed a valid opponent in his career since moving up. De La Hoya, Collazo, Wright, Forrest, even Miguel Cotto. He stunned Cotto once or twice, but never really hurt him at all, people use Cotto slipping on a wetspot late as evidence of him being hurt, but fail to recognize Mosley actually slipped and fell in the same spot while no punches were being landed on him.

Mosley is a solid puncher no doubt, but he isn't a huge puncher above lightweight.

thats weird because you claimed that delahoya punches harder than mosley and was a bigger threat than shane...yet they've kayoed the same people since moving up to 147 even 154...

take away the victories over the ruined vargas and mayorga...and shane still has the stoppage over margarito, which trumps any stoppage delahoya would have....and you sound stupid when you say "ALL HE WAS DOING WAS SWELLiNG UP HIS EYE", what!?!?!?!?!?!? That like moralles after the Rahem fight saying "he just kept hitting me and moving away"

damn you really are slow....and its funny that you're all of sudden super gung ho floyd when you thought hatton would give him problems....where I told you that fight would be easy and floyd would stop him easily. Like I said before you really dont like mosley...when I prove that he punches harder i.e. his kayo percentage you respond with he didn't stop a valid opponent...just like floyd will be in canasota as will mosley and it won't be because he didn't stop anybody...

[Taeth]

First of all Mayweather-Hatton wasn't easy for Mayweather, he was pressed against the ropes all night, but his defensive was just too tight, and Joe Cortez didn't let Hatton fight on the inside.

Oscar and Mosley have ko'ed a lot of the same guys but lets compare how they did it.

Lets go back to Jesse James Leija. Oscar ko'ed him in 2, it took Mosley 9 rounds. Wilfredo Rivera it took Oscar 8 rounds(where he won virtually ever round), it took Mosley 10 rounds(one person even had it just a round apart. Oscar KO'ed Vargas in 11, but this was Vargas in or near his prime, Mosley fought him 4 years later. The first fight Mosley stopped Vargas, but like I said Vargas wasn't being hurt by anything MOsley threw and was walking through it. Your example of Morales against Raheem is idiotic. How the fuck did you draw a comparison out of the two fights? I am stating that Mosley's power wasn't bothering Vargas, while you are trying to find some relation between me talking about punching power and someone being outboxed. The next fight MOsley did stop Vargas in 6, but he was badly weight drained. Lets compare Mayorga against both, Oscar stopped him in 6, he dropped him with a left hook in the first round, outboxed him with that jab every round. Mosley fought an ugly battle, and literally knocked Mayorga out in the last second of the last round.

Oscar was the first guy to stop JCC and did it twice(though once was a cut). JCC was ten times the fighter even at the end of his career that Margarito ever was, and ever will be.

Basically Mosley is KO'ing the same guys Oscar was, but after Oscar already did it, in a less impressive form. THere could be an arguement that Trinidad did it before either of them more impressively than either of them.

Back to my original conclusion Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, and Margarito all either badly hurt Cotto or stopped him, while Mosley couldn't. The first is a hard puncher, but a natural 140 pounder, the second is hardly a puncher at all, and the last isn't a big puncher either.

Right now I am not argueing whether Mayweather beats Mosley or not, just that people would have to be retarded to think Mosley stops him. There is no evidence to back this up.

[JonesJrMayweather]

First of all Mayweather-Hatton wasn't easy for Mayweather, he was pressed against the ropes all night, but his defensive was just too tight, and Joe Cortez didn't let Hatton fight on the inside.

Oscar and Mosley have ko'ed a lot of the same guys but lets compare how they did it.

Lets go back to Jesse James Leija. Oscar ko'ed him in 2, it took Mosley 9 rounds. Wilfredo Rivera it took Oscar 8 rounds(where he won virtually ever round), it took Mosley 10 rounds(one person even had it just a round apart. Oscar KO'ed Vargas in 11, but this was Vargas in or near his prime, Mosley fought him 4 years later. The first fight Mosley stopped Vargas, but like I said Vargas wasn't being hurt by anything MOsley through and was walking through it. Your example of Morales against Raheem is idiotic. How the fuck did you draw a comparison out of the two fights? I am stating that Mosley's power wasn't bothering Vargas, while you are trying to find some relation between me talking about punching power and someone being outboxed. The next fight MOsley did stop Vargas in 6, but he was badly weight drained. Lets compare Mayorga against both, Oscar stopped him in 6, he dropped him with a left hook in the first round, outboxed him with that jab every round. Mosley fought an ugly battle, and literally knocked Mayorga out in the last second of the last round.

Oscar was the first guy to stop JCC and did it twice(though once was a cut). JCC was ten times the fighter even at the end of his career that Margarito ever was, and ever will be.

Basically Mosley is KO'ing the same guys Oscar was, but after Oscar already did it, in a less impressive form. THere could be an arguement that Trinidad did it before either of them more impressively than either of them.

Back to my original conclusion Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, and Margarito all either badly hurt Cotto or stopped him, while Mosley couldn't. The first is a hard puncher, but a natural 140 pounder, the second is hardly a puncher at all, and the last isn't a big puncher either.

Right now I am not argueing whether Mayweather beast Mosley or not, just that people would have to be retarded to think Mosley stops him. There is no evidence to back this up.

Who said he was going to stop him? Even if someone did ,its far more plausible for shane to stop him than it is for him to stop shane...and who hurt cotto argument is silly because john ruiz knocked holyfield down...does this mean ruiz hits harder than Tyson and Lewis?

[Taeth]

I'm not arguing who beats who, but whether Mosley will beat Mayweather up, and I am saying he wouldn't Mayweather is too good defensively and he would tie Mosley up the same way SHane tied up Margarito.

Mosley-Mayweather is definitely a competitive fight, I just think their styles match up in Mayweather's favor.

MayweatherJonesJR after the Oscar fight for awhile I did see the MOsley-Mayweather fight going the same way you did. I even made a thread about if Oscar could make Mayweather defensive in their fight then the faster Mosley would take Floyd to the ropes and not allow Floyd to get anything off, but then I watched the fight more, and Oscar wasn't able to land anything effective. His jab wasn't working, and he landed clean shots only a handful of times against Mayweather. Also the guy who had been most effective against Floyd fought more like Cotto, and thats why I think Miguel is a more difficult guy for MAyweather, because his body is the easiest place to hit Floyd, and Shane is a good body puncher, but not a punishing one like Cotto is.

As for Mayweather stopping MOsley who said that he would? I never did. Floyd would break both his hands long before he would even hurt Shane.

[ElTerribleMorales]

honestly Floyd could comeback next month and he would pick up right where he left off, he'd beat all of the following with little to no problem...

Berto
Collazo
Cintron
Margarito
Hatton (again)
Clottey
Judah (again)
Quintana

only ones to me that would actually challenge him and i still think he'd win cause of his stamina, skill, and defense are...

Cotto
Mosley
Williams