Kirkland perhaps you would care to explain...

[El Kabong]

You keep praising Jimmy damn Carter and what did he accomplish Stagflation, the misery index, foreign relations impotence, and the malaise speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IlRVy7oZ58


....whatever happened to "voting for HOPE over fear"?


My article had facts and data in it too but noooo we must not look at that

[Kirkland Laing]

You keep praising Jimmy damn Carter and what did he accomplish Stagflation, the misery index, foreign relations impotence, and the malaise speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IlRVy7oZ58


....whatever happened to "voting for HOPE over fear"?


My article had facts and data in it too but noooo we must not look at that

Carter inherited double digit inflation and unemployment from Ford who had been too weak to take the tough decisions necessary to deal with them. Carter did it at the cost of his reelection. Obama faces a similar decision now and you'd better hope he's as strong as Caret was.

Exactly what are these facts you speak of? The whole point of your link was to claim that the US has the highest levels of corporation tax in the world, but that's bs*, so where are these facts you speak of?


*According to tge GAO, CBO etc. the US has the lowest rate in the developed world :

Today, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a study on taxes paid by corporations. In what Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-ND) mildly called "a shocking indictment of the current tax system," the GAO found that about two-thirds of corporations operating in the US did not pay taxes annually from 1998 to 2005.
Now most corporations in America are start-ups or small, mom and pop operations that have adopted a corporate form to lower their tax rates. And a greater percentage of large corporations do pay some taxes. But in 2005, with corporate profits reaching new heights as a percentage of national income, the GAO found that over one-fourth -- 28% of large corporations paid no taxes. (It defined large corporations as those with assets of at least $250 million dollars or gross receipts of at least $50 million dollars.) They can tell you how to make $50 million dollars and not pay taxes.
Not surprisingly, the income collected from corporations has been declining as a percentage of GDP, with the burden transferred to your income and payroll taxes. According to a study by the Treasury Department, from 2000-2006, an average of 2.2% of GDP was collected in corporate taxes. This compares to an average of 3.4% in other industrial countries. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects that, under current law, corporate revenues will decline to 1.9% of GDP by 2017, the lowest rate in the industrialised world.

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And George W Bush cut corporation taxes twice during his presidency, one of those cuts was $140 billion. And that was when $140 billion was a lot of money. Yet the economy created les than two million jobs between 2000-2008. Clinton raised corporate taxes and created 23 million jobs in his eight years. If cutting corporate taxes creates jobs where's your evidence for it?

[El Kabong]

Well buddy all I can say is that you had better start gathering info on Obama because if he's anything like Carter then he's going to really struggle with the support of the people.

BOBBY JINDAL 2012!!!

[killersheep]

Well buddy all I can say is that you had better start gathering info on Obama because if he's anything like Carter then he's going to really struggle with the support of the people.

BOBBY JINDAL 2012!!!

Do you want Jindal because he wants higher income taxes or because he wants the Patriot Act to be permanent?

[El Kabong]

Well there are a number of reasons, #1 He isn't sure if he wants to take the stimulus bill money....unlike most greedy governors who are chomping at the bit to get "their" money #2 When the Supreme Court said they couldn't put child molesters to death Jindal said ok and signed a bill into law that has castration as a punishment of child molesting #3 He did his job correctly when Hurricane Gustav came through

Bobby Jindal on the Issues

Those are his stances

...I personally would rather he lighten up in some areas (abortion, amendment for defining marraige, drugs) but all in all I like what he has done so far.

I'm not pro-abortion or pro-drugs or pro-gay marraige....but I think the individual states should handle those issues

[Kirkland Laing]

Most Americans want the stimulus bill. It's fairly clear to most folks that with business investment/spending and consumer spending in freefall the only people capable of propping up demand are the government and that's why the stimulus bill is so popular.

Jindal is a grandstanding buffoon who will reject about 2% of the money he's given. He's only doing it to get a few headlines, I think most people can see him for what he is.

I just don't understand why conservatives are so upset about government deficits and spending all of a sudden. Where were you for the last eight years?

[El Kabong]

Most Americans want the stimulus bill. It's fairly clear to most folks that with business investment/spending and consumer spending in freefall the only people capable of propping up demand are the government and that's why the stimulus bill is so popular.

Jindal is a grandstanding buffoon who will reject about 2% of the money he's given. He's only doing it to get a few headlines, I think most people can see him for what he is.

I just don't understand why conservatives are so upset about government deficits and spending all of a sudden. Where were you for the last eight years?

You are just plain wrong on both accounts but you are too fucking stubborn to listen to reason. All I can point to is Jindal's successes. You can go ahead and worship your liberal martyrs like Jimmy Carter....I hope you are happy when the populus wakes up and finds out that Obama is a total fraud.

It took a while for the Republican Congress to spend as much as the Democrats have....they just started out and BANG we're talking billions and TRILLIONS of dollars in single pieces of legistlation and then we have a President who says and I quote "The usual earmarks and pork aren't in this bill" and that is 100% total bullshit and you know it.

[Kirkland Laing]

Most Americans want the stimulus bill. It's fairly clear to most folks that with business investment/spending and consumer spending in freefall the only people capable of propping up demand are the government and that's why the stimulus bill is so popular.

Jindal is a grandstanding buffoon who will reject about 2% of the money he's given. He's only doing it to get a few headlines, I think most people can see him for what he is.

I just don't understand why conservatives are so upset about government deficits and spending all of a sudden. Where were you for the last eight years?

You are just plain wrong on both accounts but you are too fucking stubborn to listen to reason. All I can point to is Jindal's successes. You can go ahead and worship your liberal martyrs like Jimmy Carter....I hope you are happy when the populus wakes up and finds out that Obama is a total fraud.

It took a while for the Republican Congress to spend as much as the Democrats have....they just started out and BANG we're talking billions and TRILLIONS of dollars in single pieces of legistlation and then we have a President who says and I quote "The usual earmarks and pork aren't in this bill" and that is 100% total bullshit and you know it.

67% of Americans support the stimulus. Only about 25% of Americans support GOP grandstanding over the bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxRZ3rKtEM



The GOP inhwerited a budget surplus, abandoned spensding rules and went on the biggest spending binge in history. They doubled the national debt in eight ywears from five to ten trillion and then have printed up to another ten trillion in welfare for the banks.

The Democrats inherited the biggest financial crisis for a century. They've spent less than 10% of the money the GOP spent so far propping up the banks on the stimulus and the stimulus is only needed to prevent total catastrophe brought on by the GOP abandooning regulation of the banks 2000-8. It's just an attempt to mop up the disaster of the Bush years.

Seriously, when am I ever wrong about anything?

[El Kabong]

Even if Americans wanted a stimulus package the majority of them wanted a different one than this one.

[Kirkland Laing]

Even if Americans wanted a stimulus package the majority of them wanted a different one than this one.

Your evidence for making this claim?

[killersheep]

Lyle do I have this right?

[El Kabong]

Your evidence for making this claim?

A Gallup poll asked people if they wanted Obama's Stimulus Bill to pass...survey SAYS

38% said pass as proposed
37% said pass with MAJOR changes
17% said reject the plan
8% had no opinion


So if you break that down 54% (37% Major Changes and 17% Reject) of American's didn't want OBAMA'S Stimulus Bill passed



Killersheep, is more dependence on the Federal Government better or worse for you?

[killersheep]

Your evidence for making this claim?

A Gallup poll asked people if they wanted Obama's Stimulus Bill to pass...survey SAYS

38% said pass as proposed
37% said pass with MAJOR changes
17% said reject the plan
8% had no opinion


So if you break that down 54% (37% Major Changes and 17% Reject) of American's didn't want OBAMA'S Stimulus Bill passed



Killersheep, is more dependence on the Federal Government better or worse for you?

Right now it is more certainly better to rely on the Federal Government, we've spent the last 8 years counting on corporate America to do the right thing and you know the rest of the story. Fundamentally we disagree on the what causes unemployment, I don't think we will ever find a middle ground here. Follow me on this, what I would like to see happen is to spend the next 4-8 years doing what this plan does and riding it out, and once the spice (money) is flowing again, then we can get a nice conservative (fiscally, not socially) government in place to tame the beast.

[El Kabong]

The Federal government is a jack of all trades but a master of none....they had a hard enough time in the begining taxing, spending for, and protecting the citizens......now they own banks, want to run healthcare and ration it, decide what is fair and balanced on the radio, and they are deciding which businesses fail and which get bailed out, and when they aren't doing those things they are sinking their hooks into the less fortunate and the elderly basically BUYING votes through welfare, social security (which is a Ponzi scheme), and now stimulus packages....I didn't like it when W had his stimulus bill and I really don't like this one

[killersheep]

The Federal government is a jack of all trades but a master of none....they had a hard enough time in the begining taxing, spending for, and protecting the citizens......now they own banks, want to run healthcare and ration it, decide what is fair and balanced on the radio, and they are deciding which businesses fail and which get bailed out, and when they aren't doing those things they are sinking their hooks into the less fortunate and the elderly basically BUYING votes through welfare, social security (which is a Ponzi scheme), and now stimulus packages....I didn't like it when W had his stimulus bill and I really don't like this one

They own the banks because greedy-ass c-class people couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag, but they sure can cash a bonus check when a company is in bankruptcy, again we fundamentally differ on what happened here. I posted that pic because that pretty much covers everything you say
To say that this current run of CEOs is any less corrupt or any more capable than the government is ridiculous.
We're fucked either way, but at least we can vote out public officials.