Haye willing to fight Wlad in Germany

[Kel]

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

That is not what is going on oh insufferable one....Haye is in a position to take a title fight vs the best fighter in the division and he's going to bluff his way out of the fight and then blame Wlad for not accepting his ludicris demands

Haye is offering to fight in germany and not take a penny from the promotion other than British TV rights which would be negligible for a vlad vs. Arreola/similar fight. So he's offering to fight in Vlad's country for effectively nothing, agreed to two options after the fight, etc. The bottler Klitschko is instead negotiating with a fat domestic-level American to give him 20-25% of the same promotion. Fighting Haye would earn him 100% of the promotion, fighting an alternative around 80%. Why is he doing that?

How do you know all this mate?

[Kirkland Laing]

That is not what is going on oh insufferable one....Haye is in a position to take a title fight vs the best fighter in the division and he's going to bluff his way out of the fight and then blame Wlad for not accepting his ludicris demands

Haye is offering to fight in germany and not take a penny from the promotion other than British TV rights which would be negligible for a vlad vs. Arreola/similar fight. So he's offering to fight in Vlad's country for effectively nothing, agreed to two options after the fight, etc. The bottler Klitschko is instead negotiating with a fat domestic-level American to give him 20-25% of the same promotion. Fighting Haye would earn him 100% of the promotion, fighting an alternative around 80%. Why is he doing that?

How do you know all this mate?

Both Haye and Kilitschko's people have said that haye is ofering to fight in Germany for UK TV money only.

Here's haye's version :

Adam Booth exclusive | Setanta

and here's the pretend-Germans' version :

"They said they would just keep all of the English television rights," Boente said. "Why would we do that? If you think you'll keep all the money from English TV, what are you bringing to the table to get so much more than a mandatory challenger? They think they are bringing a superstar to the fight when he's fought [six] rounds in the heavyweight division.

But they also admitted in the same interview :
And also the deal with Haye has to be new because we gave him way more than even a mandatory challenger would get. A mandatory challenger would get 25 or 30 percent [of the money], but he was getting a lot more than that.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...suspended.html


So they'd have to pay the mandatory (Arreola or similar) 25 or 30% of the promotion if they don't fight haye. That promotion would be worth a nominal UK TV number as it doesn't feature a UK fighter. Haye fighting Vlad creates a UK TV market which pays a substantial sum, but that sum is only available to the promotion if Haye gets the fight. So the Klitschkos now face paying 25-30% of the promotion (without any UK TV money) to the challenger when they could have kept 100% of it by fighting Haye. Vlad is turning down at least a quarter of the value of his next fight so that he can avoid fighting Haye and fight somebody else instead.

[ClubberLang]

Haye is offering to fight in germany and not take a penny from the promotion other than British TV rights which would be negligible for a vlad vs. Arreola/similar fight. So he's offering to fight in Vlad's country for effectively nothing, agreed to two options after the fight, etc. The bottler Klitschko is instead negotiating with a fat domestic-level American to give him 20-25% of the same promotion. Fighting Haye would earn him 100% of the promotion, fighting an alternative around 80%. Why is he doing that?

How do you know all this mate?

Both Haye and Kilitschko's people have said that haye is ofering to fight in Germany for UK TV money only.

Here's haye's version :

Adam Booth exclusive | Setanta

and here's the pretend-Germans' version :

"They said they would just keep all of the English television rights," Boente said. "Why would we do that? If you think you'll keep all the money from English TV, what are you bringing to the table to get so much more than a mandatory challenger? They think they are bringing a superstar to the fight when he's fought [six] rounds in the heavyweight division.

But they also admitted in the same interview :
And also the deal with Haye has to be new because we gave him way more than even a mandatory challenger would get. A mandatory challenger would get 25 or 30 percent [of the money], but he was getting a lot more than that.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...suspended.html


So they'd have to pay the mandatory (Arreola or similar) 25 or 30% of the promotion if they don't fight haye. That promotion would be worth a nominal UK TV number as it doesn't feature a UK fighter. Haye fighting Vlad creates a UK TV market which pays a substantial sum, but that sum is only available to the promotion if Haye gets the fight. So the Klitschkos now face paying 25-30% of the promotion (without any UK TV money) to the challenger when they could have kept 100% of it by fighting Haye. Vlad is turning down at least a quarter of the value of his next fight so that he can avoid fighting Haye and fight somebody else instead.

All posturing aside...do you HONESTLY believe that Wlad is afraid to fight Haye? C'mon now. What has Haye done to make him afraid? Who has Haye beaten that should make Wlad go, "Uh oh, I don't want to fight that guy!" He's fought two fights in the division. He got rocked by a limited fighter in Barrett. He routinely got rocked at crusierweight. Why in the world would Wlad be afraid to fight this guy? Why would he even try to make the fight in the first place? He could have easily enough said, "Haye has not done enough to deserve the shot, he needs to get in line" and he would have been 100% correct. But he is trying to make the fight anyway because it's an interesting challenge rather than fighting another mandatory. And, please note, I don't think Haye is afraid of Wlad either, I just think he thinks he's a bigger star than he is and is making unrealistic demands.

[Kirkland Laing]

How do you know all this mate?

Both Haye and Kilitschko's people have said that haye is ofering to fight in Germany for UK TV money only.

Here's haye's version :

Adam Booth exclusive | Setanta

and here's the pretend-Germans' version :

"They said they would just keep all of the English television rights," Boente said. "Why would we do that? If you think you'll keep all the money from English TV, what are you bringing to the table to get so much more than a mandatory challenger? They think they are bringing a superstar to the fight when he's fought [six] rounds in the heavyweight division.

But they also admitted in the same interview :
And also the deal with Haye has to be new because we gave him way more than even a mandatory challenger would get. A mandatory challenger would get 25 or 30 percent [of the money], but he was getting a lot more than that.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...suspended.html


So they'd have to pay the mandatory (Arreola or similar) 25 or 30% of the promotion if they don't fight haye. That promotion would be worth a nominal UK TV number as it doesn't feature a UK fighter. Haye fighting Vlad creates a UK TV market which pays a substantial sum, but that sum is only available to the promotion if Haye gets the fight. So the Klitschkos now face paying 25-30% of the promotion (without any UK TV money) to the challenger when they could have kept 100% of it by fighting Haye. Vlad is turning down at least a quarter of the value of his next fight so that he can avoid fighting Haye and fight somebody else instead.

All posturing aside...do you HONESTLY believe that Wlad is afraid to fight Haye? C'mon now. What has Haye done to make him afraid? Who has Haye beaten that should make Wlad go, "Uh oh, I don't want to fight that guy!" He's fought two fights in the division. He got rocked by a limited fighter in Barrett. He routinely got rocked at crusierweight. Why in the world would Wlad be afraid to fight this guy? Why would he even try to make the fight in the first place? He could have easily enough said, "Haye has not done enough to deserve the shot, he needs to get in line" and he would have been 100% correct. But he is trying to make the fight anyway because it's an interesting challenge rather than fighting another mandatory. And, please note, I don't think Haye is afraid of Wlad either, I just think he thinks he's a bigger star than he is and is making unrealistic demands.

Yes I do. vlad's fights scared these days because he knows how fragile his chin is and he fights knowing one punch can bring back Corrie Sanders nightmares. Fighting somebody who can move faster than him who can also punch is his worst nightmare. Much easier to fight a big tub of lard who can't move fast enough to hit him.

[Violent Demise]

Both Haye and Kilitschko's people have said that haye is ofering to fight in Germany for UK TV money only.

Here's haye's version :

Adam Booth exclusive | Setanta

and here's the pretend-Germans' version :

"They said they would just keep all of the English television rights," Boente said. "Why would we do that? If you think you'll keep all the money from English TV, what are you bringing to the table to get so much more than a mandatory challenger? They think they are bringing a superstar to the fight when he's fought [six] rounds in the heavyweight division.

But they also admitted in the same interview :
And also the deal with Haye has to be new because we gave him way more than even a mandatory challenger would get. A mandatory challenger would get 25 or 30 percent [of the money], but he was getting a lot more than that.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...suspended.html


So they'd have to pay the mandatory (Arreola or similar) 25 or 30% of the promotion if they don't fight haye. That promotion would be worth a nominal UK TV number as it doesn't feature a UK fighter. Haye fighting Vlad creates a UK TV market which pays a substantial sum, but that sum is only available to the promotion if Haye gets the fight. So the Klitschkos now face paying 25-30% of the promotion (without any UK TV money) to the challenger when they could have kept 100% of it by fighting Haye. Vlad is turning down at least a quarter of the value of his next fight so that he can avoid fighting Haye and fight somebody else instead.

All posturing aside...do you HONESTLY believe that Wlad is afraid to fight Haye? C'mon now. What has Haye done to make him afraid? Who has Haye beaten that should make Wlad go, "Uh oh, I don't want to fight that guy!" He's fought two fights in the division. He got rocked by a limited fighter in Barrett. He routinely got rocked at crusierweight. Why in the world would Wlad be afraid to fight this guy? Why would he even try to make the fight in the first place? He could have easily enough said, "Haye has not done enough to deserve the shot, he needs to get in line" and he would have been 100% correct. But he is trying to make the fight anyway because it's an interesting challenge rather than fighting another mandatory. And, please note, I don't think Haye is afraid of Wlad either, I just think he thinks he's a bigger star than he is and is making unrealistic demands.

Yes I do. vlad's fights scared these days because he knows how fragile his chin is and he fights knowing one punch can bring back Corrie Sanders nightmares. Fighting somebody who can move faster than him who can also punch is his worst nightmare. Much easier to fight a big tub of lard who can't move fast enough to hit him.

Simple question for you. No essay required. Just a simple yes or no. Do you think Haye has earned his shot to fight for the championship?

[The Shadow]

Doesn't make a difference where Haye would be willing to fight him. Even if Haye fought Wladdy in his backyard with his own Mother as referee and his siblings as judges, the end result would be the same: Haye is going to get the beating of his life...wait, I amend that: I think Haye will get hit with one right hand and just fall on his stupid looking mug licking the canvas like a dog for a half-hour.
Can't wait for a legit heavyweight to come up and clean out these annoying Ukrainian freak-shows. Haye certainly isn't the man to do it. That bum was lucky that he got by Monte. LOL

[Kirkland Laing]

All posturing aside...do you HONESTLY believe that Wlad is afraid to fight Haye? C'mon now. What has Haye done to make him afraid? Who has Haye beaten that should make Wlad go, "Uh oh, I don't want to fight that guy!" He's fought two fights in the division. He got rocked by a limited fighter in Barrett. He routinely got rocked at crusierweight. Why in the world would Wlad be afraid to fight this guy? Why would he even try to make the fight in the first place? He could have easily enough said, "Haye has not done enough to deserve the shot, he needs to get in line" and he would have been 100% correct. But he is trying to make the fight anyway because it's an interesting challenge rather than fighting another mandatory. And, please note, I don't think Haye is afraid of Wlad either, I just think he thinks he's a bigger star than he is and is making unrealistic demands.

Yes I do. vlad's fights scared these days because he knows how fragile his chin is and he fights knowing one punch can bring back Corrie Sanders nightmares. Fighting somebody who can move faster than him who can also punch is his worst nightmare. Much easier to fight a big tub of lard who can't move fast enough to hit him.

Simple question for you. No essay required. Just a simple yes or no. Do you think Haye has earned his shot to fight for the championship?

Yes.

[Violent Demise]

Yes I do. vlad's fights scared these days because he knows how fragile his chin is and he fights knowing one punch can bring back Corrie Sanders nightmares. Fighting somebody who can move faster than him who can also punch is his worst nightmare. Much easier to fight a big tub of lard who can't move fast enough to hit him.

Simple question for you. No essay required. Just a simple yes or no. Do you think Haye has earned his shot to fight for the championship?

Yes.

You must of thought very highly of Barrett and Bonin.