Was Jeff Lacy a fake or did Calzaghe ruin him?

[Trainer Monkey]

He was flawed and inexperienced,and not ready for Joe,to a degree,Joe did ruin him because now the kid doesnt have an ounce of confidence,sort of like how Taylor hasnt looked right ever since Hopkins

[jon09]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

[The Shadow]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

Actually Lacy tore his rotator-cuff after the Calzaghe fight. Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that Calzaghe was one of the greatest super-middleweights of all time. A walk in to any hall of fame. The same can be said about Hopkins.
It took me some time to figure out how good Calzaghe was because he fought out of Wales. I always knew how good Hopkins was and I can also make a strong argument that Hopkins got screwed out of the decision against Calzaghe.
In other words, there is ABSOLUTELY no shame in losing to the likes of fighters like Calzaghe or Hopkins. Both were and are athletic phenoms gifted with a rare combination of superb, athletic genetic make-up and the persistant determination to harness and refine their natural gifts in a spectacular fashion.
Perhaps the crack pipe joke was a bit over the top. I just think that you should take into consideration how great Calzaghe and Hopkins are.

[rjj tszyu]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

I'd like to see that fight. Then again I like Kelly and would expect him to be the first to KO Jeff!

[Gandalf]

Lacy had his flaws prior to Calzaghe, but having said that Calzaghe was on pure fire in that fight. Very few fighters could have kept up with him. That was a beating, but the injury after Calzaghe certainly contributed to Lacy's decline too.

Lacy was no fake, but he wasn't as good as the US media portrayed him to be. And though Calzaghe beat him up, there were added factors that have left him as he is.

[luvfightgame]

I voted Joe ruined him. I somewhat agree with Violent.... except I would say a A fighter to a B fighter. He has what it takes to be a top guy, but he was never gonna be an all time great. Good power, chin, work rate. Plenty of flaws.

Overall I think most fans overate every fighter. Continually talking about this mythical skill level that someone else is lacking. Lacy was good in his prime, and he got his prime ended by Joe.

He was never an A fighter man your being way to generous.

Well he was an Olympic medalist, a world champ, and he's only lost to Joe C and Jermaine Taylor, both of whom beat Bernard Hopkins.

He was an A fighter fighting in the elite. He was just bottom rung of the A level.

This is what I mean by overrating boxers "skill". Please define A-D levels for me, cause I thought the guys on FNF's are usually C level. Showbox is B level and HBO and Showtime ppv's are A level. The D level's I can usually go see at a local hotel or gymnasium. If Lacy wasn't in the A level, i'm lost.

[jon09]

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

Actually Lacy tore his rotator-cuff after the Calzaghe fight. Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that Calzaghe was one of the greatest super-middleweights of all time. A walk in to any hall of fame. The same can be said about Hopkins.
It took me some time to figure out how good Calzaghe was because he fought out of Wales. I always knew how good Hopkins was and I can also make a strong argument that Hopkins got screwed out of the decision against Calzaghe.
In other words, there is ABSOLUTELY no shame in losing to the likes of fighters like Calzaghe or Hopkins. Both were and are athletic phenoms gifted with a rare combination of superb, athletic genetic make-up and the persistant determination to harness and refine their natural gifts in a spectacular fashion.
Perhaps the crack pipe joke was a bit over the top. I just think that you should take into consideration how great Calzaghe and Hopkins are.

I totally take into consideration the greatness of Hopkins and Calzaghe. I believe this thread was titled was Lacy fake or did Calzaghe ruin him. And yes I know that Lacy tore his rotator cuff after the fight hence why I said it was Calzaghe with the injuries not Lacy up until then. Both of them have ruined careers Hopkins to Pavlik and Calzaghe to Lacy thats why I said Lacy and Pavlik would be an interesting showdown for shits and giggles.

[AdamGB]

He was flawed and inexperienced,and not ready for Joe,to a degree,Joe did ruin him because now the kid doesnt have an ounce of confidence,sort of like how Taylor hasnt looked right ever since Hopkins

That's along my way of thinking.

I'm more in between than the two choices here... He was supposed to destroy Joe, we all know what happened so he obviously wasn't as good as everybody was saying... but I think had he not taken such a beating from Joe and had he not injured his shoulder then he would probably be a much better fighter than he is today.

[DaxxKahn]

He wasn't a fake and Joe did not ruin him...Then again it was both (If that makes sense)...I knew Jeff down in Florida as an amateur when a guy named Ron Woods used to work with him (Long Before the Olympic days).....Jeff had all the tools but for some reason was kept a fighter who had to rely on power...Not that is what he wanted but that is what his trainers seemed to have him doing...They felt that Jeff had enough power to not focus on the important things...

Problem is that trend was kept up through the pro's...

Lacy had the ability to execute all the tools but no one seemed to want to make those tools available to him....

By the time he reached Calzaghe it was almost too late....The beating he took added with the fact he was kept a one dimensional fighter for so long the combination of that with the hurt confidence took his want to suceed out of the game...Jeff has no desire to start back at square one (Which is what he would have to do to rebuild himself)...And like many young hard hitting fighters the first big loss hurt his psyche by letting him know he is not invincible like everyone was feeding him to be....

The blame is to be put mostly on his handlers....

I liken him to a poor mans Fernando Vargas....Power, ability but those around him handled him wrong...Fernando was brought along to fast and it hurt him in the end...Same as Jeff Lacy

[Hulk]

Jeff Lacy has a Champion's heart and certainly more heart than anyone on this forum.

He didn't live up to all the hype but he damn sure has tried.

He has not been the same since tearing his rotator cuff or however you spell it.

[The Shadow]

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

Actually Lacy tore his rotator-cuff after the Calzaghe fight. Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that Calzaghe was one of the greatest super-middleweights of all time. A walk in to any hall of fame. The same can be said about Hopkins.
It took me some time to figure out how good Calzaghe was because he fought out of Wales. I always knew how good Hopkins was and I can also make a strong argument that Hopkins got screwed out of the decision against Calzaghe.
In other words, there is ABSOLUTELY no shame in losing to the likes of fighters like Calzaghe or Hopkins. Both were and are athletic phenoms gifted with a rare combination of superb, athletic genetic make-up and the persistant determination to harness and refine their natural gifts in a spectacular fashion.
Perhaps the crack pipe joke was a bit over the top. I just think that you should take into consideration how great Calzaghe and Hopkins are.

I totally take into consideration the greatness of Hopkins and Calzaghe. I believe this thread was titled was Lacy fake or did Calzaghe ruin him. And yes I know that Lacy tore his rotator cuff after the fight hence why I said it was Calzaghe with the injuries not Lacy up until then. Both of them have ruined careers Hopkins to Pavlik and Calzaghe to Lacy thats why I said Lacy and Pavlik would be an interesting showdown for shits and giggles.

I don't think a fight between Lacy and Pavlik would be interesting at all. The only fight I see of interest for Pavlik is Abraham.
I think Pavlik looked decent in his one-sided demolition of Rubio last weekend. I would love to see a rematch between him and Hopkins. Oddly,
I didn't hear Pavlik even bringing up his name. Go figure.