Was Jeff Lacy a fake or did Calzaghe ruin him?

[rjj tszyu]

simple question! Whats your view?

[SaltyBacon]

he was way overhyped he probaly listen to his people's and felt indestructable till he got defeated he has never been the same savage jeff lacy so i say calzaghe out of the choices

but imo he was just overhyped and he also had injuries

[rjj tszyu]

I went Calzaghe ruined him. He looked awesome against Reid (who was shite yes I know) but got trounced off Calzaghe and nearly even got beaten off Manfredo!

[X]

Neither ....... I think Lacy was a powerful, intimidating go-ahead fighter who put people under pressure and had good finishing power. With the benefit of hindsight, he couldn't fight effectively going backwards (he liked to get into a rhythmn and keep that same rhythmn going). He was made to be countered, and because he didn't throw good combinations, a fighter who moved him around, had good handspeed, and could get off first was always going to push him hard.

We seem very quick to put boxers into huge categories .... 'all time great', 'fraud' etc etc.

Styles make fights ...... the whole point of boxing is it's intangibles ...... Ali losing to Frazier, Foreman wroecking Frazier, Ali kayoing Foreman. There are no logical equations in boxing !!

[Kel]

Joe broke him.

[Hunter]

A little of both, even when Lacy was coming up and fighting second class fighters, if Jeff was faced with someone with fast hands that threw in combination he froze up and would take shots.....It was a matter of time when he faced someone with fast hands, that had some pop, and threw in combination at a world class level like Joe or even a Taylor.....

[Taeth]

He was a fake, I loved his amateur background, his athletic ability, but he winged shots, he didn't use his speed, and he could get bullied around even before Calzaghe ever showed up. He had way too many flaws to deal with the top level of the sport.

Man, I hope Berto isn't him all over again.

[CFH]

Neither ....... I think Lacy was a powerful, intimidating go-ahead fighter who put people under pressure and had good finishing power. With the benefit of hindsight, he couldn't fight effectively going backwards (he liked to get into a rhythmn and keep that same rhythmn going). He was made to be countered, and because he didn't throw good combinations, a fighter who moved him around, had good handspeed, and could get off first was always going to push him hard.

We seem very quick to put boxers into huge categories .... 'all time great', 'fraud' etc etc.

Styles make fights ...... the whole point of boxing is it's intangibles ...... Ali losing to Frazier, Foreman wroecking Frazier, Ali kayoing Foreman. There are no logical equations in boxing !!

This.

[Andre]

Neither ....... I think Lacy was a powerful, intimidating go-ahead fighter who put people under pressure and had good finishing power. With the benefit of hindsight, he couldn't fight effectively going backwards (he liked to get into a rhythmn and keep that same rhythmn going). He was made to be countered, and because he didn't throw good combinations, a fighter who moved him around, had good handspeed, and could get off first was always going to push him hard.

We seem very quick to put boxers into huge categories .... 'all time great', 'fraud' etc etc.

Styles make fights ...... the whole point of boxing is it's intangibles ...... Ali losing to Frazier, Foreman wroecking Frazier, Ali kayoing Foreman. There are no logical equations in boxing !!

Good stuff.
I admit back in the day I also thought he may have been a great but at the same time when you see someone with that sort of power comming off just the basics you automatically think he has to get better as he goes along, but he didnt.

I thought" if that guy had more head movment. " If he works on stretching his body and legs and gets more mobile and flexable and then works off more angles hes going to be able to rule with power punches. Turns out he wasn't trained that way.

You can say the same for Bojardo at that same time; ,natuarlly sat on punches at the right time .tight defence from straight out in front and turned on a dime so that others stayed straight out in front.
Same thing if he got fitter more flexable and kept what he had but created more angles he could of been better by far.

Turns out he was a lazy boy and thought he was a natural and it was all going to be just a given: so he hardly got trained any further or regimented in any way let alone a certain way to add to his natural skill. Shame, such a waste.

But those people who study it close cant force these guys to training harder or force them to be trained correctly to enhance their natural abilities.

Most gyms train fighters in exactly the same way until they shine out then they start to redevelop some things. It should be more personal from the start and more shaping and steering around each fighters natural abilites.

Thats why these guys who get trained by their fathers get whats required exactly when its required.
Think about how many of the top untouchable champions that are trained and taught all the way through by their own dad!, they are most of the ones who really shine out. I recon Tyson got adopted for that reason too.

Its also very easy to be correct in hind sight or at the time against a boxing system that relies on hype to up the excitment to bring in new faces and dollars prior to a fighter actually proving themselves beyond doubt.

[Scrap]

What happened with Joe and the circumstances surrounding it, caused Lacy to lose Belief in Himself But more importantly in His Team. They let Him down. I bet He feels He is now on His own when He gets in the Ring. His clear Head concept isnt clear anymore.

[jon09]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

[The Shadow]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

[jon09]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

[The Shadow]

Calzaghe exposed Lacy the way Hopkins did to Pavlik. Lacy vs Pavlik could be an interesting match up in the future.

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

Actually Lacy tore his rotator-cuff after the Calzaghe fight. Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that Calzaghe was one of the greatest super-middleweights of all time. A walk in to any hall of fame. The same can be said about Hopkins.
It took me some time to figure out how good Calzaghe was because he fought out of Wales. I always knew how good Hopkins was and I can also make a strong argument that Hopkins got screwed out of the decision against Calzaghe.
In other words, there is ABSOLUTELY no shame in losing to the likes of fighters like Calzaghe or Hopkins. Both were and are athletic phenoms gifted with a rare combination of superb, athletic genetic make-up and the persistant determination to harness and refine their natural gifts in a spectacular fashion.
Perhaps the crack pipe joke was a bit over the top. I just think that you should take into consideration how great Calzaghe and Hopkins are.

[jon09]

Yeah, please don't forget to pass the crack pipe to your right, buddy.

Okay whatever that means.I will pass it around to you when I am done. Lacy was supposed to be the next big thing like Pavlik and should have lost to Calzaghe just like Hopkins was supposed to lose to Pavlik. And Calzaghe was the one with injuries prior to the Lacy fight not the other way around. Now since that fight Lacy has been plagued with shoulder injuries. Wanna go for round 2 or continue passing the crack pipe to the right?

Actually Lacy tore his rotator-cuff after the Calzaghe fight. Another thing to take into consideration is the fact that Calzaghe was one of the greatest super-middleweights of all time. A walk in to any hall of fame. The same can be said about Hopkins.
It took me some time to figure out how good Calzaghe was because he fought out of Wales. I always knew how good Hopkins was and I can also make a strong argument that Hopkins got screwed out of the decision against Calzaghe.
In other words, there is ABSOLUTELY no shame in losing to the likes of fighters like Calzaghe or Hopkins. Both were and are athletic phenoms gifted with a rare combination of superb, athletic genetic make-up and the persistant determination to harness and refine their natural gifts in a spectacular fashion.
Perhaps the crack pipe joke was a bit over the top. I just think that you should take into consideration how great Calzaghe and Hopkins are.

I totally take into consideration the greatness of Hopkins and Calzaghe. I believe this thread was titled was Lacy fake or did Calzaghe ruin him. And yes I know that Lacy tore his rotator cuff after the fight hence why I said it was Calzaghe with the injuries not Lacy up until then. Both of them have ruined careers Hopkins to Pavlik and Calzaghe to Lacy thats why I said Lacy and Pavlik would be an interesting showdown for shits and giggles.