ICB Where did you learn to play chess mate?

[brucelee]

I may be late in this reply. I'm not defending ICB here coz I have noticed it before that he was telling lies about his fights. I can clearly remember when he said he lost one of his fights and then later telling people that he is undefeated. REgarding the chess openings, I've started playing chess when I was 7. I've read a lot of books, mastered the d4 (in reaction to Bilbo's post about d4) when I was in college, constantly played with chessmaster and have beaten Kasparov (in chessmaster7) way back when I was younger. After not playing chess for almost 2 years now, I could hardly remember the names of the openings which I have mastered before. It's probable that ICB and I are having the same experience. Regarding boxing knowledge, ICB has improved a lot after being here for how many years already. I guess that's what matters. He might have cheated in chess and have lied about his boxing life but I guess his knowledge in boxing is solid.

[Kel]

The only thing I noticed about ICE was a really different change in his posting around 2 years ago, he became really defensive and argumentative, other than that I never thought anything bad of him.

Dunno why he had to lie about anything but I like to think everyone else on here is just a normal fella sharing a laugh and joke, debating and talking about boxing and being REAL.

I'm shocked anyone would go through all that effort to impress a forum he said countless times was 'just a laugh' to him.

[Bomp]

The only thing I noticed about ICE was a really different change in his posting around 2 years ago, he became really defensive and argumentative, other than that I never thought anything bad of him.

Dunno why he had to lie about anything but I like to think everyone else on here is just a normal fella sharing a laugh and joke, debating and talking about boxing and being REAL.

I'm shocked anyone would go through all that effort to impress a forum he said countless times was 'just a laugh' to him.

Most people come on here for a laugh, but by his post count Saddo's was probably one of the most integral parts of his life, probably why he gets so defensive when someone calls him out.

[Kev]

I may be late in this reply. I'm not defending ICB here coz I have noticed it before that he was telling lies about his fights. I can clearly remember when he said he lost one of his fights and then later telling people that he is undefeated. REgarding the chess openings, I've started playing chess when I was 7. I've read a lot of books, mastered the d4 (in reaction to Bilbo's post about d4) when I was in college, constantly played with chessmaster and have beaten Kasparov (in chessmaster7) way back when I was younger. After not playing chess for almost 2 years now, I could hardly remember the names of the openings which I have mastered before. It's probable that ICB and I are having the same experience. Regarding boxing knowledge, ICB has improved a lot after being here for how many years already. I guess that's what matters. He might have cheated in chess and have lied about his boxing life but I guess his knowledge in boxing is solid.

I don't know mate your experience simply makes no sense to me. So you mean you studied a lot of books (I guess by a lot this means more than two at least and most likely 4 or 5 even more). You then played enough chess to be able to defeat Kasparov in Chessmaster 7 which is basically its highest level.

I just have problems with this, firstly becuase there has never been to my knowledge such a product as Chessmaster 7, so I presume you mean Chessmaster 7000 which came out in 2002.

Secondly I believe Chessmaster 7000 had an elo rating of around 2600 which means that if you were able to beat it at its highest level consistently you would easily be among the world's top 200 or so players.

A quick look at the official Fide ratings shows only 6 players from the Phillipines are rated above 2500 so certainly you are one of the best two or three players in your country and should have been playing the Olympiads a couple months ago for your nation certainly.

Then just like Ice you claim to have forgotten all the openings since your time out of college.

I don't like to suggest people talk absolute nonsense but it is the boxing equivalent of saying you used to spar in your back garden and got really good and then knocked out Floyd Mayweather in a closed door sparring session that nobody can recall but never turned pro or had even one documented amatuer fight.

I think people are simply delusional when they talk about their chess ability. Legion last year claimed an Elo of 2800 which would have made him the world's strongest player right now and only about half a dozen or so points away from Kasparov's all time high rating. In the actual event he was about as good as I was back then in April which was probably around the 1100-1200 mark.

[brucelee]

Sorry about the chessmaster 7000. I forgot even the name coz I havent played with it since I started to work as an accountant.

Bilbo, I've played against kasparov in that game and I have recorded my win. I've even written it at the back cover of the book entitled "chess openings:traps and zaps" by pandolfini. I also have compilations of the chess olympiads, I have a book entitled: "winning with d4". That's why I've mastered d4. I've given it to my friend who's currently active in chess. I have lots of chess puzzles. Sadly, I haven' opened those books for years now.

I took the book from my old book shelf just to confirm whether I really put it there. I won after 28 moves.

I started with these moves:

I'm white (I like to attack):
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6
8. Nc3-d5 Be6

If you really want how it proceeded I can post all my moves. For the record, I've only beaten Kasparov twice and after that I was not able to replicate again those wins.

Also, I've played with players before but my profession hinders me from going full time with chess.

In my impoverished country, playing chess full time is not very lucrative. People in my country get rich by being a boxer (like Pacquaio) but with chess, you'll go nowhere.

BTW, chess is a game of memory. Right now, I must admit that my memory is not that good anymore. Maybe that's the reason why I can't win anymore and can hardly remember the names of all the openings. Maybe we can play online just to prove that I can play chess. I'll explain my moves while doing it so you will know that I will not be using any cheats.

Regarding ICB, I've also observed that his grammar had improved. Could it be possible that it was not ICB who's currently posting in here?

Edit: I've decided to post the continuation of the game. Enjoy verifying it.

9. Qd2 h5
10. h4 Bxd5
11. Bxd5 Qc8
12. Bxc6+ b7xc6
13. a3 Qg4
14. Rh1-g1 0-0
15. 0-0-0 f5
16. d4 Bxd4
17. Nxd4 exd4
18. exf5 Qxh4
19. Rh1 Qg4 (edited: sorry)
20. f6 C5
21. Qh6 Qg6
22. Qxh5 Qxh5
23. Rh1x h5 Rf8-e8
24. Rd1 -h1 Re8-e1+
25. Rh1-e1 d4-d3
26. Re1-h1 d3-d2+
27. Kc1 xd2 Ra8 - e8
28. Rh5-h8 1-0

I don't know if there was something wrong with the program but you can play it again and tell me if the computer made a wrong move.

All I can remember is, I won in this game against Kasparov (chessmaster) and I've written it in one of my books so I will not forget about that game.

I have another win actually. I'll post it for your scrutiny if you want me to.

Just for your info, I like mindgames. Remember, it was I who took your crown about that m-memory game we've played before.hehehehe. PM me your yahoo ID so we can play chess.

Peace.

[RP33]

Sorry about the chessmaster 7000. I forgot even the name coz I havent played with it since I started to work as an accountant.

Bilbo, I've played against kasparov in that game and I have recorded my win. I've even written it at the back cover of the book entitled "chess openings:traps and zaps" by pandolfini.

I took the book from my old book shelf just to confirm whether I really put it there. I won after 28 moves.

I started with these moves:

I'm white (I like to attack):
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6
8. Nc3-d5 Be6

If you really want how it proceeded I can post all my moves. For the record, I've only beaten Kasparov twice and after that I was not able to replicate again those wins.

Also, I've played with players before but my profession hinders me from going full time with chess.

In my impoverished country, playing chess full time is not very lucrative. People in my country get rich by being a boxer (like Pacquaio) but with chess, you'll go nowhere.

BTW, chess is a game of memory. Right now, I must admit that my memory is not that strong anymore. Maybe that's the reason why I can't win anymore and can hardly remember the names of all the openings. Maybe we can play online just to prove that I can play chess. I'll explain my moves while doing it so you will know that I will not be using any cheats.

Regarding ICB, I've also observed that his grammar had improved. Could it be possible that it was not ICB who's currently posting in here?

Edit: I've decided to post the continuation of the game. Enjoy verifying it.

9. Qd2 h5
10. h4 Bxd5
11. Bxd5 Qc8
12. Bxc6+ b7xc6
13. a3 Qg4
14. Rh1-g1 0-0
15. 0-0-0 f5
16. d4 Bxd4
17. Nxd4 exd4
18. exf5 Qxh4
19. Rh1 Qxh4
20. f6 C5
21. Qh6 Qg6
22. Qxh5 Qxh5
23. Rh1x h5 Rf8-e8
24. Rd1 -h1 Re8-e1+
25. Rh1-e1 d4-d3
26. Re1-h1 d3-d2+
27. Kc1 xd2 Ra8 - e8
28. Rh5-h8 1-0

I don't know if there was something wrong with the program but you can play it again and tell me if the computer made a wrong move.

All I can remember is, I won in this game against Kasparov (chessmaster) and I've written it in one of my books so I will not forget about that game.

I have another win actually. I'll post it for your scrutiny if you want me to.

Are you suggesting that you're past your prime in Chess?

interesting.

I wonder if people who fish for sport have a prime in their career.

This is still a great thread.

[Kev]

Sorry about the chessmaster 7000. I forgot even the name coz I havent played with it since I started to work as an accountant.

Bilbo, I've played against kasparov in that game and I have recorded my win. I've even written it at the back cover of the book entitled "chess openings:traps and zaps" by pandolfini.

I took the book from my old shelves just to confirm whether I really put it there. I won after 27 moves.

I started with this moves:

I'm white (I like to attack):
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6
8. Nc3-d5 Be6

If you really want how it proceeded I can post all my moves. For the record, I've only beaten Kasparov twice and after that I was not able to replicate again those wins.

Also, I've played with players before but my profession hinders me from going full time with chess.

In my impoverished country, playing chess full time is not very lucrative. People in my country get rich by being a boxer (like Pacquaio) but with chess, you'll go nowhere.

BTW, chess is a game of memory. Right now, I must admit that my memory is not that strong anymore. Maybe that's the reason why I can't win anymore and can hardly remember the names of all the openings. Maybe we can play online just to prove that I can play chess. I'll explain my moves while doing it so you will know that I will not be using any cheats.

Regarding ICB, I've also observed that his grammar had improved. Could it be possible that it was not ICB who's currently posting in here?

Definitely post the game Brucelee, I can't actually remember the great Kasparov being an e5 player as he was famous for his Silician Najdorf but whatever.

Actually the line you are playing is the Guiuco Piano especially popular with school kids, there is no way in hell that Chessmaster at its highest level would first of all open with 1.e5 if it was modelling Kasparov and the opening book it played was terrible.

There is no way that chessmaster on its highest level would play 7.gxf6, it would have recaptured with the queen. Even a relative patzer like myself can see that's a duffers move at first glance.

I'm not sure what you beat, or how good it was but It certainly wasn't chessmaster at its highest level.

It would have responded to 1.e5 with 1.c5 gone into a highly theoretical Sicilian defense and most likely drubbed you off the board inside 25 moves.

But post the game up anyway, it will be interesting to see what mistakes Grandmaster Kasparov made in this line.

[CGM]

He bruce, I tried playing over the game, it looks ok although I didn't carefully analyze or anything.

I noticed an error in your notation. You have ...Qxh4 for black on both the 18th and 19th moves, so I couldn't go any further.

7...gxf6 looks positionally suspect, but it might be ok, because you can follow up with ...f5 at some point, with active play with your pawns in the center.

[brucelee]

Bilbo, I was playing white. Yeah, I can remember now. Guiuco Piano that was the name of my opening. Anyway, it's sometimes black who decides where it will go.

[brucelee]

CGM: its Qg4 for 19. .... Qg4

[brucelee]

Bilbo: As to the level of kasparov in that game, I am no longer sure. What I'm sure is, I won against kasparov in that game.

The computer may seem to have played bad but if you take a deeper look at it, it was simply answering to my moves based on its programming. That's why computers can be defeated, not easily though but they can be defeated.

Anyway, I can't control the computer if he chooses to do the e5. I've been playing Sicilian defense and it is not really that impregnable.

Edit: I don't have a chessboard right now. I can't visually my the computer answered 7. ...... gxf6

I have analyzed the game before and if my memory doesn't fail me, capturing it using Q is not a good move.

[brucelee]

okay here's my analysis of the game:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 d6
5. Nc3 Nf6
6. Bg5 h6
7. B xf6 g xf6


Using 7.... Qxf6 is not advisable because when Nc3 goes to d5, the Black queen will be forced to go back to d8. Besides, it's too early to use the queen. IMO.
8. Nc3-d5 Be6


Be6 provides threat/defense against Nd5 and to support the pawn at f8.

9. Qd2 h5


I've placed Q to d2 to free it up. Black answered with h5 to free the rook from guarding it and to make a possible push of the black bishop to g4. Possible move for black would also be h5-h4
10. h4 Bxd5


Possible move for black would also be h5-h4 so I pushed my pawn to h4. black answered with Bxd5 so there would be no defense on b4. A possible threat by black's bishop to b4 would destroy the pawn structure of white's queen side.
11. Bxd5 Qc8


Black's trying to free his queen. Best way is to put it at c8.
12. Bxc6+ b7xc6
Black could put his bishop to b6 and he would have a very strong pawn structure. Opening the b flank by 12. ..... b7xc6 is strong because Black knows I would have to castle queen side.


Bilbo, black was playing very solid. I don't know why you're saying it's a schoolboy's game.

13. a3 Qg4


I answered back with a3 coz there's threat to b4. Black's queen to g4 is forcing me to castle queen side.
14. Rh1-g1 0-0
So I answered Rh1 to g1. I had no choice. Putting black's rook on g8 would be disastrous for me.
15. 0-0-0 f5


I had to to castle now to strengthen my rooks. This is risky because b flank is already open. F5.... black wants to control the center. He also wants the queen to be free on the g6. Q-g6 would mean defense for the 6th row
16. d4 Bxd4


Knowing that he wants to control the center, I answered d4. This is the winning move. black should capture d4 or else his pawn structure would be totally destroyed because I have the d flank/column now.
17. Nxd4 exd4


Needs no explanation.
18. exf5 Qxh4
I am winning now. @move 17 black already knows I'm winning. Qxh4 was his way of protecting his pawn at d4.I don't see any blunder here.
19. Rh1 Qg4 (edited: sorry)


I threatened his queen by Rh1. Best counter is to place his queen at g4.
20. f6 C5
I moved my pawn to f6 to counter attack and to open up my queen. He defended his pawn at d4 with that c5.He also wanted to free his queen for a possible move to g6 in case I move my queen to h6.
21. Qh6 Qg6


So I did put my queen to h6 for a possible exchange of queens. Material wise, I will be at a disadvantage in the end game. I was relying on my positional advantage and a possible mate after 6 moves.


22. Qxh5 Qxh5
I captured h5 for a possible mate on Rd1 to h1



23. Rh1x h5 Rf8-e8


Black knows he will be mated by 5 moves.
24. Rd1 -h1 Re8-e1+
Black's hopeless now.


25. Rh1-e1 d4-d3
26. Re1-h1 d3-d2+
27. Kc1 xd2 Ra8 - e8
28. Rh5-h8 1-0